And another (not so) minor point: Defferences between R/Rfree with twin on and off suggest that there is strong correlation between twin and NCS. For this cases better dealt with if you use twin refinement with sufficiently strong NCS restraints. In new refmac (www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/ site: look for the experimental version) and in phenix (as far as I know) you can do NCS automatically.

Even after twin refinement with ncs I would check if higher space group is possible. You can try to do it using for example zanuda (from the webserver www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp). I think phenix.triage may be able to do similar things.

regards
Garib

On 23 Apr 2010, at 22:28, hari jayaram wrote:

I am refining a twinned dataset in possible spacegroup P212121 . Pointless thinks it is P43212 , but based on reading this posting (http://www.phenix-online.org/pipermail/phenixbb/2007-September/000501.html ) I think it is P212121.

The starting R/Rfree after molecular replacement ( single site mutant) was 34/38 to 2.2 A

After an initial round of restrained refinement ( without twin refinement) and minimal rebuilding I got the R/Rfree to 30/34

Then I did an amplitude based twin refinement - The twin fraction was 0.48 k,h,-l and 0.52 h,k,l and The r/rfree became 24/29

After a little more rebuilding ( a few residues out of 800 residues in ASU) and another twin refinement I got an r/rfree of 22/27 . Now the twin fraction was 0.87 (h,k,l) and 0.13 (k,h,-1)

The maps looked a little better allowing me to fix a few more residues

Finally the same twin refinement gives me no twin operators and the R/Rfree is 22/26


All the twinning tests indicate a serious twinning in my crystal. Any ideas why I am seeing this

Hari




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