ssh may not be necessary, (al)pine can be configured to connect to a POP3 or IMAP server, one of which a reasonable mail server would probably offer.
Tim On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 05:27:24PM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote: > pine is quite handy if you can ssh to your email server (Brandeis allows > that, for instance). Uses very little resources, fast, and poses zero > danger of ever executing a malicious code. There is very little > functionality added in other email clients. I don't use pine anymore, > but there is no need to give it bad name. And you can use colors > a-la-matrix :) > > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 20:40 +0200, Flip Hoedemaeker wrote: > > Anyone still on PINE should consider a new email application :) > > > > Flip > > > > On 7/2/2010 20:29, Tim Gruene wrote: > > > I agree to this. > > > What are the actual reasons against attachments? > > > If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead > > > of POP3 > > > (if I understand correctly, with IMAP one does not need to download the > > > emails > > > until one actually wants to read them, but I may be wrong here, too), > > > would it > > > be a compromise to restrict image sizes to e.g. 500kB? > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 01:35:57PM -0400, Douglas Jacobsen wrote: > > >> My opinion is that attached images in bb posts should be allowed: > > >> 1) Storage& network bandwidth is cheap > > >> 2) Attached (even inline) images are convenient to understanding the > > >> question/issue at hand > > >> 3) Emails are very easily deleted > > >> 4) If images are to be "attached" via web-links, then it may not be > > >> possible to refer to them appropriately in the archives if the images > > >> are ever removed from the hosting server. - it seems to me that the > > >> archive of the bb is an excellent resource, but is diminished if the > > >> content can not be maintained centrally. > > >> > > >> -Doug > > >> > > >> On 7/2/2010 11:04 AM, Frances C. Bernstein wrote: > > >>> Why not put images, maps, or data files on your own web page > > >>> and then send out a link to that material? Then the e-mails > > >>> are small and anyone that wants to see the files has easy > > >>> access. > > >>> > > >>> Frances Bernstein > > >>> > > >>> ===================================================== > > >>> **** Bernstein + Sons > > >>> * * Information Systems Consultants > > >>> **** 5 Brewster Lane, Bellport, NY 11713-2803 > > >>> * * *** > > >>> **** * Frances C. Bernstein > > >>> * *** [email protected] > > >>> *** * > > >>> * *** 1-631-286-1339 FAX: 1-631-286-1999 > > >>> ===================================================== > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Tim Gruene wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Maybe this netiquette is a little outdated. Sending a few MB to > > >>>> thousands of > > >>>> people is probably not much more than noise compared to current net > > >>>> traffic. > > >>>> > > >>>> There is the IMAP protocol which overcomes the problem of modem > > >>>> connections, > > >>>> which anyhow probably only affects a very, very small amount of > > >>>> people nowadays, > > >>>> and there are plenty of mail user agents which do not have a > > >>>> paperclip button, > > >>>> e.g. mutt, pine, etc, which address the very same problem. > > >>>> > > >>>> It's is a lot easier to show a jpg-image a few kB in size than to > > >>>> attempt to > > >>>> describe what you see with words. > > >>>> > > >>>> Anyhow, the FAQ > > >>>> (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#formats) the > > >>>> CCP4 netiquette (http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/ccp4bb.php#using) refers to > > >>>> explicitly > > >>>> allows MIME attachments, even though I also conside MIME outdated and > > >>>> am > > >>>> extremely glad I do not need to fiddle with uu-en/de-code anymore. > > >>>> > > >>>> Again: maybe it's time to update the CCP4 netiquette. > > >>>> > > >>>> Tim > > >>>> > > >>>> P.S.: I wonder how much traffic this email will induce ;-) > > >>>> > > >>>> On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 09:33:01AM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote: > > >>>>> Several recent posts with decently sized attachments (now in cross > > >>>>> eyed > > >>>>> stereo too!) prompt this (annual?) anti-paperclip-button rant. Lucky > > >>>>> for me, I can just recycle the old messages: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg11949.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers from the self-appointed thought police, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Ed. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> "I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling." > > >>>>> Julian, King of Lemurs > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Tim Gruene > > >>>> Institut fuer anorganische Chemie > > >>>> Tammannstr. 4 > > >>>> D-37077 Goettingen > > >>>> > > >>>> GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > -- > Edwin Pozharski, PhD, Assistant Professor > University of Maryland, Baltimore > ---------------------------------------------- > When the Way is forgotten duty and justice appear; > Then knowledge and wisdom are born along with hypocrisy. > When harmonious relationships dissolve then respect and devotion arise; > When a nation falls to chaos then loyalty and patriotism are born. > ------------------------------ / Lao Tse / -- -- Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
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