One can keep ones hands on the keyboard to do everything -- no reaching
for the mouse. An added advantage is that to delete a message doesn't
reqire one to find and select a small check box with the mouse cursor,
then to find and select the Delete check-box, which often has scrolled off
the top of the screen. A single stroke of the "d" key does the job. It's
especially satisfying for expunging a screen full of messages with
identical message subjects, like "Re: [ccp4bb] attachments" for example.
dddddddddddddddddddd does it.
Keep the faith, George.
Bob
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, George M. Sheldrick wrote:
I like pine. It is especially useful if I am travelling and have a
bad connection, or (as at the moment) I am at home and one or more of
our children (three of whom are computer experts) are hogging our modest
internet connection! And using it on the computer at the lab via ssh I
dont get troubled by viruses or large attachments.
George
Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
Dept. Structural Chemistry,
University of Goettingen,
Tammannstr. 4,
D37077 Goettingen, Germany
Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
Fax. +49-551-39-22582
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Ed Pozharski wrote:
pine is quite handy if you can ssh to your email server (Brandeis allows
that, for instance). Uses very little resources, fast, and poses zero
danger of ever executing a malicious code. There is very little
functionality added in other email clients. I don't use pine anymore,
but there is no need to give it bad name. And you can use colors
a-la-matrix :)
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 20:40 +0200, Flip Hoedemaeker wrote:
Anyone still on PINE should consider a new email application :)
Flip
On 7/2/2010 20:29, Tim Gruene wrote:
I agree to this.
What are the actual reasons against attachments?
If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead of POP3
(if I understand correctly, with IMAP one does not need to download the emails
until one actually wants to read them, but I may be wrong here, too), would it
be a compromise to restrict image sizes to e.g. 500kB?
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 01:35:57PM -0400, Douglas Jacobsen wrote:
My opinion is that attached images in bb posts should be allowed:
1) Storage& network bandwidth is cheap
2) Attached (even inline) images are convenient to understanding the
question/issue at hand
3) Emails are very easily deleted
4) If images are to be "attached" via web-links, then it may not be
possible to refer to them appropriately in the archives if the images
are ever removed from the hosting server. - it seems to me that the
archive of the bb is an excellent resource, but is diminished if the
content can not be maintained centrally.
-Doug
On 7/2/2010 11:04 AM, Frances C. Bernstein wrote:
Why not put images, maps, or data files on your own web page
and then send out a link to that material? Then the e-mails
are small and anyone that wants to see the files has easy
access.
Frances Bernstein
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Tim Gruene wrote:
Maybe this netiquette is a little outdated. Sending a few MB to
thousands of
people is probably not much more than noise compared to current net
traffic.
There is the IMAP protocol which overcomes the problem of modem
connections,
which anyhow probably only affects a very, very small amount of
people nowadays,
and there are plenty of mail user agents which do not have a
paperclip button,
e.g. mutt, pine, etc, which address the very same problem.
It's is a lot easier to show a jpg-image a few kB in size than to
attempt to
describe what you see with words.
Anyhow, the FAQ
(http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#formats) the
CCP4 netiquette (http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/ccp4bb.php#using) refers to
explicitly
allows MIME attachments, even though I also conside MIME outdated and am
extremely glad I do not need to fiddle with uu-en/de-code anymore.
Again: maybe it's time to update the CCP4 netiquette.
Tim
P.S.: I wonder how much traffic this email will induce ;-)
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 09:33:01AM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote:
Several recent posts with decently sized attachments (now in cross eyed
stereo too!) prompt this (annual?) anti-paperclip-button rant. Lucky
for me, I can just recycle the old messages:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg11949.html
Cheers from the self-appointed thought police,
Ed.
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