Well - if the CCs are 0 then no averaging can take place.

You know you can let DM make the mask itself - are you using the GUI?
It shows you what to set..
Eleanr



[email protected] wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for reminding me checking the mask. I think their might be
something wrong with the mask, since when DM read in the mask, it says:


           Number of columns, rows, sections ...............   84   74   69
           Map mode ........................................    0
Start and stop points on columns, rows, sections -53 30 80 153 -4 64
           Grid sampling on x, y, z ........................  136  260  150
           Cell dimensions ................................. 135.57100
260.11200 150.20000  90.00000 101.14000  90.00000
           Fast, medium, slow axes .........................    Z    X    Y
           Minimum density .................................     0.00000
           Maximum density .................................     0.00000
           Mean density ....................................     0.00000
           Rms deviation from mean density .................     0.00000
           Space-group .....................................    4
           Number of titles ................................    1


It seems the mask is just null. However, I converted it to a map file, and
coot clearly showed the mask, so I am not sure why the null mask was found
by DM. Moreover, the NCS CCs are just 0s for the mask.

Anyway, following is my NCSMASK script I used to generate the above mask,
where XYZIN is the reorganized pdb containing only a single fixed NCS unit
(chain A). and all the operations were generated by LSQKAB with Chain A
mapped to other chains. Not sure whether there is something wrong here or
not...

ncsmask xyzin ${PDB}_A.pdb mskout ${PDB}.msk << eof
SYMM P1211
EXPAND 1.0
OVERLAP 3
AVERAGE 12
#Identical
  ROTA MATRIX 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
  TRAN 0.0 0.0 0.0
#A>C
  ROTA MATRIX -0.22748  0.97259  0.04813 -0.97372 -0.22662 -0.02273
-0.01120 -0.05203  0.99858
  TRAN  101.46837    81.74413     2.89341
#A>D
  ROTA MATRIX -0.90337  0.42792  0.02831 -0.42883 -0.90066 -0.07011
-0.00451 -0.07547  0.99714
  TRAN   158.03317    36.91842     3.25853
#A>F
  ROTA MATRIX -0.21272 -0.97702  0.01352 0.97675 -0.21300 -0.02424 0.02657
 0.00805  0.99961
  TRAN   100.69797   -81.01860    -1.71365
#A>G
  ROTA MATRIX 0.61704 -0.78687 -0.01005 0.78590  0.61553  0.05899 -0.04023
-0.04429  0.99821
  TRAN   32.50667   -65.76570     7.05504
#A>H
  ROTA MATRIX -0.85814 -0.51116 -0.04813 -0.51290  0.85771  0.03558
0.02310  0.05522 -0.99821
  TRAN   156.14981    42.23873    48.93406
#A>I
  ROTA MATRIX -0.13703 -0.98975 -0.04032 -0.99048  0.13635  0.01902
-0.01332  0.04254 -0.99901
  TRAN  95.97630    82.30948    52.82510
#A>J
  ROTA MATRIX 0.69662 -0.71695 -0.02645 -0.71716 -0.69691  0.00230
-0.02008  0.01737 -0.99965
  TRAN   25.84588    59.76286    53.68224
#A>K
  ROTA MATRIX 0.99467  0.10258 -0.01072 0.10259 -0.99472  0.00088 -0.01057
-0.00197 -0.99994
  TRAN    0.47215    -8.86082    52.78315
#A>L
ROTA MATRIX 0.55782 0.82946 0.02875 0.82987 -0.55793 -0.00466 0.01218 0.02646 -0.99958
  TRAN   36.68436   -68.63833    49.21587
#A>M
  ROTA MATRIX -0.30892  0.95102 -0.01113 0.95109  0.30890 -0.00370
-0.00008 -0.01173 -0.99993
  TRAN   109.48987   -79.05550    52.39334
#A>N
  ROTA MATRIX -0.93676  0.34855 -0.03147 0.34600  0.93589  0.06627 0.05255
 0.05119 -0.99731
  TRAN   162.32979   -29.26800    45.41564
eof


The commonest error with averaging is getting the mask wrong.
Check that the CCs after application of the averaging start at a
reasonable value - 0.3 at least and increase with each cycle ( by the
way why do ncycle 1?)

But in the end the density will not be identical, the Fobs are not
perfectly symmetric so there will be differences. The best idea is to
average (with correct matrices - I always find that takes several pases
before I get them all right - then build molecule A and refit it over
the others before starting refinement.

  EleanorHailiang Zhang wrote:
Hi,

I am using the following DM script to perform a NCS averaging. I have a
fundemental question: after NCS averaging, are the density distrubitions
of different NCS unit being averaged supposed to be the same? I found
they
are different by checking FCDM/PHICDM, and maybe I am wrong somewhere...


dm NCSIN ${PDB}.msk HKLIN ${PDBALL}.mtz HKLOUT ${PDBALL}-dm.mtz \
<<dmtest
   mode AVER
   ncycle 1
   combine PERT
   scheme ALL
   solc 0.6213
#Identical
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
  TRAN 0.0 0.0 0.0
#A>C
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX -0.22748  0.97259  0.04813 -0.97372 -0.22662 -0.02273
-0.01120 -0.05203  0.99858
  TRAN  101.46837    81.74413     2.89341
#A>D
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX -0.90337  0.42792  0.02831 -0.42883 -0.90066 -0.07011
-0.00451 -0.07547  0.99714
  TRAN   158.03317    36.91842     3.25853
#A>F
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX -0.21272 -0.97702  0.01352 0.97675 -0.21300 -0.02424
0.02657
 0.00805  0.99961
  TRAN   100.69797   -81.01860    -1.71365
#A>G
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX 0.61704 -0.78687 -0.01005 0.78590  0.61553  0.05899
-0.04023
-0.04429  0.99821
  TRAN   32.50667   -65.76570     7.05504
#A>H
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX -0.85814 -0.51116 -0.04813 -0.51290  0.85771  0.03558
0.02310  0.05522 -0.99821
  TRAN   156.14981    42.23873    48.93406
#A>I
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX -0.13703 -0.98975 -0.04032 -0.99048  0.13635  0.01902
-0.01332  0.04254 -0.99901
  TRAN  95.97630    82.30948    52.82510
#A>J
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX 0.69662 -0.71695 -0.02645 -0.71716 -0.69691  0.00230
-0.02008  0.01737 -0.99965
  TRAN   25.84588    59.76286    53.68224
#A>K
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX 0.99467  0.10258 -0.01072 0.10259 -0.99472  0.00088
-0.01057
-0.00197 -0.99994
  TRAN    0.47215    -8.86082    52.78315
#A>L
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX 0.55782  0.82946  0.02875 0.82987 -0.55793 -0.00466
0.01218
0.02646 -0.99958
  TRAN   36.68436   -68.63833    49.21587
#A>M
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX -0.30892  0.95102 -0.01113 0.95109  0.30890 -0.00370
-0.00008 -0.01173 -0.99993
  TRAN   109.48987   -79.05550    52.39334
#A>N
  AVER REFI
  NCSMASK NMER 1
  ROTA MATRIX -0.93676  0.34855 -0.03147 0.34600  0.93589  0.06627
0.05255
 0.05119 -0.99731
  TRAN   162.32979   -29.26800    45.41564
   LABIN FP = FWT PHIO = PHIC  FOMO = WCMB
   LABOUT  FDM=FDM PHIDM=PHIDM FOMDM=FOMDM FCDM=FCDM PHICDM=PHICDM
   END
dmtest



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