Hi Folmer,

RAF is in the PDB ligand dictionary with status 'REL' so you can use it. If
RAF is a subset of something bigger, then perhaps you should use
monosaccharide building blocks. If in doubt, ask a PDB annotator. 
Anyway, PDB-care will check whether the connectivity in a compound named RAF
matches the standard description of RAF. CARP will check the torsion angles
between the monosaccharide building blocks.

HTH,
Robbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
> Folmer Fredslund
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 15:37
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Building sugars
> 
> Hi all
> 
> 
> Thank you all for your replies.
> 
> 
> I might have expressed myself poorly, but I am not talking about
covalently
> linked sugar modifications, so for my purpose there's no need to be
> concerned about insertion codes ;-)
> 
> 
> The glycosciences.de link is really useful. There does not seem to be a
test to
> verify correct PDB nomenclature though. Or perhaps RAF (for raffinose, a
tri-
> saccharide) is OK to use?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Folmer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/2/21 Robbie Joosten <robbie_joos...@hotmail.com>
> 
> 
>       Hi Folmer,
> 
>       Just to add some tips:
> 
> 
>       > Concerning the naming as one molecule: the sugar monomers get
> the same
>       > chain ID as the protein they are connected to and arbitrary
residue
>       numbers.
>       > I usually start numbering from 1000 to prevent overlap with the
> numbering
>       > of the amino acids.
> 
>       1) Just don't use insertion codes, some people find it upsetting ;)
And
> keep
>       the residue numbering consistent between NCS copies.
> 
>       2) The glycosciences.de portal has many tools for dealing with
>       carbohydrates: http://www.glycosciences.de/
>       I really like PDB-care and CARP for validation in the building and
>       refinement process.
> 
>       3) When using TLS you should try to figure out whether it's useful
to
> add
>       the sugars to the group of the linked protein residue or to have
> specific
>       groups for your sugar trees.
> 
>       Cheers,
>       Robbie
> 
> 
>       > HS.
>       >
>       >
>       > ________________________________
>       >
>       >       From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
>       > Behalf Of Folmer Fredslund
>       >       Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:33 PM
>       >       To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>       >       Subject: [ccp4bb] Building sugars
>       >
>       >
>       >       Dear all,
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >       What's the "correct" way to build and refine sugar polymers?
>       >
>       >
>       >       I am currently building several structures with different
kinds of
>       sugar
>       > polymers bound to them.
>       >
>       >
>       >       Searching for similar "ligands" in the PDB, I end up with
e.g.
>       > trisaccharides that are named as one molecule, even though they
> are indeed
>       > made up of three individual sugars with bonds between them.
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >       Thank you for any pointers.
>       >
>       >
>       >       Best regards,
>       >       Folmer
>       >
>       >
>       >       --
>       >       Folmer Fredslund
>       >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Folmer Fredslund

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