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Dear James,

I am not sure I fully picture what your coordination looks like, but my
guess is that if you include distance restraints between the S-atoms
you can distinguish between a tetrahedral geometry and a square pyramid.

You could use external restraints in refmac - just make a dummy run
with prosmat to get the syntax right and copy and modify a few lines
tailored to your problem.

Best,
Tim

On 06/07/2013 10:39 AM, James Naismith wrote:
> Thanks for this other suggestions similar (see  below.) My problem
> is not the distances per se, these restrain fine to 2.3A
> 
> I am relatively low resolution and my problem is with just
> distance restraints I move to a square planar arrangement. I
> suspect this is a feature of the geometry restraints dominating
> refinement (c'est la vie at low res). I do not force Zn to be
> anything (the cif file just has a distance) I think.
> 
> What I need to do is create another restraint someone how that 
> imposes a Td geometry.
> 
> What I cannot figure how to do is set this up because it involves
> 5 residues (4 cys and 1 Zn).
> 
> best Jim
> 
> Jim Naismith BSRC, North Haugh [email protected]
> 
> Google scholar is free and tracks your outputs, mine are 
> http://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?hl=en&user=fLmKKQMAAAAJ
> 
> ResearcherID H-3408-2012; SCOPUS_ID 7005691850
> 
> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Naismith/
> 
> The University of St Andrews is a charity registered in Scotland :
> No SC013532k
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Jun 2013, at 16:11, Roger Rowlett <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> You can find instructions for restraining Zn-ligand distances 
>> here:
>> 
>> http://capsicum.colgate.edu/chwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Model+Refinement&highlight=metal%20ion#Restraining_metal_ligand_distances_during_refinement_in_REFMAC
>>
>>
>>
>> 
Using this method, only Zn-ligand bond distances are restrained.
REFMAC can usually find on its own certain Zn-atom linkages (I think
it can find ZN-SG bonds with Cys by itself, but the version I am using
usually misses or ZN-OD1 or ZN-OD2 bonds with Asp. This I pick up in
the .cif file generated by REFMAC and include in a library file to be
used for refinement. I have not had any issues with REFMAC altering ZN
geometry. What you describe sounds like the geometry of the ZN atom
has been defined or assumed somewhere in your approach.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> _______________________________________ Roger S. Rowlett Gordon
>> & Dorothy Kline Professor Department of Chemistry Colgate
>> University 13 Oak Drive Hamilton, NY 13346
>> 
>> tel: (315)-228-7245 ofc: (315)-228-7395 fax: (315)-228-7935
>> email: [email protected]
>> 
>> On 6/6/2013 10:36 AM, James Naismith wrote:
>>> I have a structure that I am trying to finish off, I have Zn 
>>> ligated by four cys residues. I use the linkR and define 
>>> distances (the same link for each ZnS bond) My issue is how to 
>>> stop the structure moving to a square pyramid (consistent with 
>>> distance restraints) rather than a tetrahedral geometry. Can 
>>> anyone help?
>>> 
>>> best Jim
>>> 
>>> Jim Naismith BSRC, North Haugh [email protected]
>>> 
>>> Google scholar is free and tracks your outputs, mine are 
>>> http://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?hl=en&user=fLmKKQMAAAAJ
>>> 
>>> ResearcherID H-3408-2012; SCOPUS_ID 7005691850
>>> 
>>> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Naismith/
>>> 
>>> The University of St Andrews is a charity registered in
>>> Scotland : No SC013532k
>> 
> 

- -- 
Dr Tim Gruene
Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
Tammannstr. 4
D-37077 Goettingen

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