Dear Sudipta—

Herman is correct, you just need to reindex your scala.mtz file to the correct 
space group.

Regarding translational NCS, it has been many years since I’ve dealt with this, 
but it is my impression that modern refinement methods treat this much better, 
especially with maximum likelihood targets, as the low(er) intensity 
reflections will have systematically lower sig/noise than the other parity 
groups.

Felix F. Vajdos
Associate Research Fellow
Structural Biology & Biophysics
Pfizer Inc
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MS 8220-3273
Groton, CT  06334
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Dear Sudipta,
you are correct, your original scala.mtz has the wrong space group in it, 
resulting in very high Rfactors (and presumably bad electron density).
In these cases, I usually reprocess (remerge) the data in the correct space 
group to get the statistics right (and gain probably a few extra h00 
reflections that got rejected in P212121). If you use the same a, b and c axes 
as before, you do not need to rerun Phaser, otherwise you have to.
If you have translational NCS, you have to live with it. The only way to get 
rid of it is to find another crystal with a different crystal packing.

Best,
Herman

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Dear Community,

I have some doubts to clarify. In a way to solve a structure by Phaser-MR, I 
found phaser ended up with a potentially good MR solution (with good 
statistics, packing and electron density, and as we know the homolog structure 
so in a reasonable biological assembly also). However, the space group where 
phaser found the potential solution (P22121) is different what we got in 
pointless (P212121), and phaser also indicated the presence of translational 
NCS (NCS translation vector = 0.500, 0.494 0.391). Now when we try to refine 
the structure with its original scala.mtz file (which is indexed and sclaled in 
P212121) and phaser generated pdb file, the R/Rfree is very high (around 0.5) 
but when I tried refining with mtz file generated by phaser, it was reasonable, 
at least for first cycle of refinement (R/Rfree, 0.41/0.46). Now my question 
is, can I use the phaser generated mtz file instead of the original scala.mtz 
for further refinement? Or I have to reindex my original data into phaser 
suggested spacegroup and run the MR again? Translational NCS are generally 
associated with high R values, is there any way to get rid of that problem?

Best regards,
Sudipta.












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