On 3/30/2020 6:29 PM, Marc Howard wrote:
Stupid question time.  I last used APL in a class in 1975.  Back then you 
needed a magic terminal and/or a magic Selectric typeball.  How does one input 
or print a program on a PDP-11 with mere mortal equipment?

Thanks,

Marc Howard

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:07 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org 
<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:

    On 3/30/2020 1:37 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:
    >
    > Bill,
    >      I have the APL-11 V2.1 source files on a RL02 disk image. I will make it 
available at http://www.rsx11m.com/apl11.zip <http://www.rsx11m.com/apl11.zip>
    >
    >      Once you mount the disk image with Simh, the are two ready to run 
task images that will run under RSX11M or M+
    > In [201,200]APL6OK.TSK and APL7OK.TSK that are the REAL*4 and REAL*8 
versions of APL-11. On the disk are the
    > Original .MAC sources as well as files from a RSX SIG tape that modified 
APL-11 for I/D under RSX11M+ that increased
    > The workspace (.BXWA from ~30000 to ~60000 bytes). It also contains a 
character set for Vt220 for the APL character set.
    >
    >     When you install the APL task experiment with the /INC to maximize 
the available workspace, On my system, I can
    > INS APL6.TSK/INC=37000 to max the workspace for the single precision 
version.
    >
    >     Also, the scanned APL-11 reference manual can be downloaded at 
http://www.rsx11m.com/APL-11-Ref-Man.pdf <http://www.rsx11m.com/APL-11-Ref-Man.pdf>
    >   and the APL11 installation guide at http://www.rsx11m.com/APL11ins.pdf 
<http://www.rsx11m.com/APL11ins.pdf>
    >
    >     The RSX SIG files that have the info to change APL-11 to an I/D 
RSX11M+ task are at [370,360] on the RL02 disk. I remember having this work back 
in the mid-1980s butI have not been able to get it to work today. If I link it 
with ODT it seems to blow up when the first overlay is loaded. If anyone could 
help with that I’d really appreciate it!
    >
    > Best,
    > Mark

    Thanks Mark!


    I remember we had APL at Rose-Hulman when I was in college there from 
1978-1983.  At first I thought it was on the VAX-11/780 that showed up over the 
summer of 1980, but now I realize it had to have been on our PDP-11/70 running 
RSTS/E. Probably APL-11 V1.X since it was there in the Fall of 1978 when I 
started.  We had a couple of DEC LA36's with the APL character set and 
keyboards.

-- John H. Reinhardt

Marc,

  On page 1-5 of the APL-11 Reference Manual that Mark posted there is a table 
showing the ACII equivalents for the special APL character set.  There are also 
instructions there on how to do it.  It's a combination of characters and 
backspaces.  Kinda tough on a video terminal but workable on a printer.

--
John H. Reinhardt

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