On 2/1/23 22:10, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:

On 02/01/2023 3:51 PM CST Paul Koning via cctalk <[email protected]> wrote:

ot sure about that. What sort of numbers are we talking about?
If all else fails there's core memory, which as far as I remember is pretty 
much unlimited for both read and write.

paul
I don't know for sure and can't find any references, but I strongly suspect that core 
memory would wear out over time, as well.  My reasoning for this is the because in 
principle it works the same as FRAM.  I usually refer to FRAM as "core on a 
chip."  Over time, the magnetic domains in FRAM tend to stay in one polarization or 
another.  I see no reason why the magnetic domains in core wouldn't do the same.  
However, a single core is probably bigger than the entire FRAM chip so there are a LOT 
more domains.  That means it would take a proportional amount of writes to wear out -- 
let's just say a million times.  In addition, core access was in microseconds, whereas 
FRAM and other modern memories are in nanoseconds.  So it takes something like 1000 times 
longer on the clock on the wall to perform the same number of writes.  So in the end 
something like a billion times longer on the calendar to wear it out.

I would be very interested if anyone actually knows and especially if there are 
references available.

I have extreme doubts that this is true.  Memory cores are just tiny versions of pulse transformers, and similar square loop transformer core materials are used in switching power supplies that run for decades at high switching frequencies.  Really, FRAM does not work much similarly to core.  The ferroelectric material is usually lead zirconate titanate, not an actual ferromagnetic material.  It is written by an electric field, not magnetic, and the electric field is sensed by a field effect transistor.  I have NEVER heard of core wear-out in magnetic core memories.  The flipping of the magnetic polarization in ferrite materials does not break down the crystal structure.

Jon

Jon

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