I have no problem with the quality of the evidence used...It was
correlative, but stronger then the evidence anyone else has posted.  Oddly
enough Mr. J Massey also made a similar argument in depth a week ago and you
said NOTHING.

Josh

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Ede Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  In light of the post I just made about cultural differences, I eager
> await Josh's advocacy of his goodwill, as opposed to only his criticism of
> mine.  May I propose that we come to some protocol for disagreement: mine is
> quality of evidence to support one's claims.  What's yours Josh?  I also
> wonder when you will engage the content productively looking past my
> goodwill issues.
>
> Ede Warner, Jr.
> Director of Debate Society/Associate Professor of Communication
> University of Louisville
> 308E Strickler Hall
> 502-852-3522
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://uofldebate.com/
>
> >>>
>   *From: * Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* "Ede Warner" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> *CC:* Ceda-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Date: * 4/12/2008
> 11:49 AM *Subject: * Re: [CEDA-L] Educational Reflections
>  Hello "Fellow Directors and Coaches"
>
> I will be accused of obfuscation so I want to make clear...With some
> exceptions I agree with many of Doctor Warners arguments here.  I am
> positing in relation to a comment he made at the bottom of this post:
>
> "3) Going forward.  All I got is my goodwill.  My personal evolution is
> that I have followed in Plato's footsteps."
>
> I would like to question the "goodwill" part of this statement.
> Yesterday, I wrote a post having, I guess, the temerity to suggest that
> resource disparity was a "larger" threat to program survival than "techne."
> In response Doctor Warner posted the following as a "goodwill ambassador"
>
> EW: It almost seems as if you are just flailing, desperate for anything to
> move the current debate in a different direction.  That's morbidly sad, but
> even worse, do you not understand that it's exactly the quality of arguments
> made in these efforts to avoid the truth that keep making me more convinced
> debate needs something different?  The coach of a late out-round team at the
> NDT makes an argument lacking basic reasoning skills.
>
> EW: You look like a sad, under-educated self-serving obstructionist that
> will do anything with and to evidence to justify and protect your world.
> I'm sorry if this is harsh, but this is really frustrating to a productive
> community conversation.  Please stop.
>
> When I wrote a second email saying that I was venting my frustration about
> personal issues related to funding at Michigan Doctor Warner
>
> EW: No pity parties or apologies today.  Engage productively and with some
> integrity or go away...This is bigger than your feelings or mine, whether
> you see that or not.
>
> Oddly enough, today finds Doctor Warner running to CEDA-L - the place
> created for Directors to speak without the usual "cruel"
> edebate environment.
>
> I guess my point is beware of disagreeing with Mr. Plato.
>
> Again, I strongly suggest that the content of Doctor Warners thought is
> worth investigating. However, dont have the timerity to disagree even
> respectfully (I believe I was actually complementary in my response to his
> insults).
>
> Josh
>
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