Here, just so this silliness can cease: I, Josh Hoe, believe that lack of institutional support, inflation, and declining state budgets are something we as a community should seriously consider addressing. I believe in finding solutions to our economic problems we might be more able to address disparities in diversity
I, Josh Hoe, believe that we, as a community, should also embrace methods to increase meaningful black participation in debate through the consideration of alternate topics and alternate methods of conceptualizing debate Does that clarify....Now, I am not responding to any other Doctor Warner letters absent an apology....If Doctor Warner chooses to say this is to destroy the credibility of his messages about debate - please refer to the above statement. Josh On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Ede Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where does Jackie conclude that physical exclusion (resources) means we > shouldn't look at other issues like community norms? That's the part that > angered me and you uniquely did it, without evidence, and you willingness to > keep pushing without acknowledging what you did, only instead trying to > rationalize it, only demonstrates your lack of goodwill. Good night. This > is so much more important than what you are doing now. > > >>> > *From: * Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* "Ede Warner" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> *CC:* Ceda-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Date: * 4/13/2008 12:43 AM > *Subject: * Re: [CEDA-L] Educational Reflections > There is a correlative relationship from where the study started > (budgets in 1991 about the start of CEDA decline - and my first year > coaching) and where it ended in 2006. If you put the decline in the > perspective of the time-line and add in his conclusions its certainly > correlative evidence as much as anything you or anyone else has posted. > > Now, Jackie did write a long post about resources about a week or so > ago...Obviously, he said he saw it as one of three barriers...he hasnt gone > into detail on the others. > > Josh > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Ede Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > No where does the Massey post make the argument that we should consider > > increasing resources instead of discussing community norms. Only you did. > > And no, your evidence doesn't support that conclusion. Your evidence > > supports that travel is related to the number of students we travel. In > > what world does that address with evidence the issue of who travels? > > > > >>> > > *From: * Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* "Ede Warner" < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> *CC:* Ceda-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *Date: * 4/13/2008 12:24 AM > > *Subject: * Re: [CEDA-L] Educational Reflections > > I have no problem with the quality of the evidence used...It was > > correlative, but stronger then the evidence anyone else has posted. Oddly > > enough Mr. J Massey also made a similar argument in depth a week ago and you > > said NOTHING. > > > > Josh > > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Ede Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > In light of the post I just made about cultural differences, I eager > > > await Josh's advocacy of his goodwill, as opposed to only his criticism of > > > mine. May I propose that we come to some protocol for disagreement: mine > > > is > > > quality of evidence to support one's claims. What's yours Josh? I also > > > wonder when you will engage the content productively looking past my > > > goodwill issues. > > > > > > Ede Warner, Jr. > > > Director of Debate Society/Associate Professor of Communication > > > University of Louisville > > > 308E Strickler Hall > > > 502-852-3522 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://uofldebate.com/ > > > > > > >>> > > > *From: * Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* "Ede Warner" < > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> *CC:* Ceda-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Date: > > > * 4/12/2008 11:49 AM *Subject: * Re: [CEDA-L] Educational Reflections > > > Hello "Fellow Directors and Coaches" > > > > > > I will be accused of obfuscation so I want to make clear...With some > > > exceptions I agree with many of Doctor Warners arguments here. I am > > > positing in relation to a comment he made at the bottom of this post: > > > > > > "3) Going forward. All I got is my goodwill. My personal evolution > > > is that I have followed in Plato's footsteps." > > > > > > I would like to question the "goodwill" part of this statement. > > > Yesterday, I wrote a post having, I guess, the temerity to suggest that > > > resource disparity was a "larger" threat to program survival than > > > "techne." > > > In response Doctor Warner posted the following as a "goodwill ambassador" > > > > > > EW: It almost seems as if you are just flailing, desperate for > > > anything to move the current debate in a different direction. That's > > > morbidly sad, but even worse, do you not understand that it's exactly the > > > quality of arguments made in these efforts to avoid the truth that keep > > > making me more convinced debate needs something different? The coach of a > > > late out-round team at the NDT makes an argument lacking basic reasoning > > > skills. > > > > > > EW: You look like a sad, under-educated self-serving obstructionist > > > that will do anything with and to evidence to justify and protect your > > > world. I'm sorry if this is harsh, but this is really frustrating to a > > > productive community conversation. Please stop. > > > > > > When I wrote a second email saying that I was venting my frustration > > > about personal issues related to funding at Michigan Doctor Warner > > > > > > EW: No pity parties or apologies today. Engage productively and with > > > some integrity or go away...This is bigger than your feelings or mine, > > > whether you see that or not. > > > > > > Oddly enough, today finds Doctor Warner running to CEDA-L - the place > > > created for Directors to speak without the usual "cruel" > > > edebate environment. > > > > > > I guess my point is beware of disagreeing with Mr. Plato. > > > > > > Again, I strongly suggest that the content of Doctor Warners thought > > > is worth investigating. However, dont have the timerity to disagree even > > > respectfully (I believe I was actually complementary in my response to his > > > insults). > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > > >
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