On 09/28/2012 09:29 AM, Robert Schwebel wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 09:12:35AM -0700, Tim Bird wrote:
>> For example, elinux.org has some great areas dedicated to BeagleBoard
>> and Raspberry Pi, and the section on boot time has lots of good
>> material. But the content in some other areas is outdated or otherwise
>> lacking.
> 
> I wouldn't worry too much, elinux.org is still a great site! Just
> organize a few sprints with nice giveaways at ELC-E from time to time :)

I guess I should make sure we get some nice giveaways at ELCE coming
up. :-)  We weren't sure if we were going to run a contest, but
maybe it would make sense (if I can get some prize donors), especially
since I'll be announcing a new project that allows micro-contributions.

> Last year after ELC-E after a mini-crossbuild-summit, we asked if it was
> possible to get planet.elinux.org as an RSS aggregator site, similar to
> planet.linaro.org, planetkde.org etc. I still think the idea is great,
> as it would give us a central place to look at if you want to know what
> the embedded Linux community is doing.
> 
> What do you think? Would that be possible, technically?
I think it would be a good thing to try out...

We discussed this, and I think Bill Traynor (the elinux admin)
outlined a plan - but we didn't end up doing it for some reason.
Maybe Bill can tell us the status, and whether we could move
forward with it.

>> Among the best things we have, I believe, is our conferences, (ELC,
>> ELCE, the Japan Jamborees, and various other events).
> 
> Very true!
> 
> What about live streaming, to reach more people? :-)

We did live-streaming at ELC, but (for reasons I'm not aware of)
will not be live-streaming ELCE.  I think the plan going forward
is to live-stream as much as possible.  Free Electrons plans to
be at ELCE and record video again (thanks very much!!)

>> To be less abstract: I'm leaning towards having a "size" summit at
>> ELC. What's the best way to get people there who are (still)
>> interested in reducing the kernel and user-space size for embedded
>> Linux systems?
> 
> Well, that's in fact *really* special, as even in Embedded, size isn't
> so much of an issue as it was previously. However, due to our Cortex-M3
> activities, it is currently interesting for us.
This is exactly the type of thing I'm interested in hearing about!

I started looking at some size issues on Coretex-M3 back in May. Then
I went to LinuxCon Japan in June, and during a lightning session a
developer there started talking about how he was working on Coretex-M3.
I about fell out of my chair.

I think concern about size is ready for a comeback!!  At least, that's
what I'm hoping. :-)
 -- Tim

P.S. BTW: My goal is kernel in 1M and system in 4M RAM (with 8M NOR flash,
so, you know, XIP and all is OK.)  If anyone has got a system running
close to these specs, let me know.  I'd REALLY love to hear about it.

P.P.S.  Note that the virtualization guys would love a system this small,
if it wasn't hobbled too bad.  Think of the number of images you could
run (and charge for) simultaneously on big hardware if you could get Linux
to go this small.  I have some crazy ideas about how to get there,
based on some academic research I've found...

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Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Workgroup of the Linux Foundation
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Network Entertainment
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