Just out of curiosity, just how much of the data and equipment do you think
got destroyed before the plane was boarded?
At 09:42 AM 4/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I forgot to mention that the Chinese need U.S. $$$. This is the best reason
>for them to let this go. The fact that they've reacted this way indicates
>that there may be some internal struggles going on between the politicians
>and the PLA (People's Liberation Army).
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Erika L Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:06 AM
>Subject: RE: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
>
>
> > That's the first real reason I've heard of in the past few days. That
>makes
> > total sense to me.....however....doesn't it kind of put the US in between
>a
> > rock and hard place? How long can the Chinese hold on to our crew members?
> >
> > Erika
> >
> > "What's good about telling the truth is there's nothing to remember." -
>John
> > Ford Noonan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Michl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:39 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
> >
> >
> > I was one of the "spies" in the back of the Air Force equivalent to the
>EP-3
> > for 8 years, so I guess I feel I'm somewhat qualified to comment here. One
> > of the reasons the U.S. can't simply apologize is that the crew is still
> > being held captive.
> > If the U.S. apologizes there is a possibility that the Chinese will put
>the
> > crew on trial and use the admission against them. IF an apology is due
>(and
> > I doubt it is) it should be made AFTER the crew is returned.
> >
> > Remember too that the crew is being interrogated -- in fact, the pilot is
> > now separated from the rest -- so anything said by the U.S. government or
>in
> > the Press can, and will, be used against them. I've got only a little bit
>of
> > experience in being interrogated, but believe me, it can be a frightening
> > and confusing experience.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ang�l Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:02 AM
> > Subject: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
> >
> >
> > > It's because to do that would indicate some wrong doing on America's
>part.
> > > http://centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/EP-3.jpg
> > >
> > > Inspection of the damaged P3 ORion is consistent with the Chinese claim
> > > that,
> > > "Our aircraft's heading was 110 degree. The US aircraft was flying 400
> > > meters to the right of ours and in parallel. The US plane all the sudden
> > > made a large maneuver, it turned inland ward and toward our plane, it's
> > nose
> > > and left wing colided with one of our plane, causing it to lose control
> > and
> > > crash into the sea."
> > >
> > > Here is a picture of the J8 aircraft.
> > > http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-8-2_11.jpg
> > >
> > > Now by ICAO standards, the slowest moving plane in the sky has the right
> > > away, and in this case the P3 would have been that plane..so if the
>pilot
> > > veered away its up to the Interceptor, the CHinese, to maintain
> > > seperation.There are also unconfirmed reports that the second J8 fired
> > > cannons over the bow of the P3, forcing it down in China.
> > >
> > > The normal procedure in that situation when a plane is damaged and pilot
> > > bails, would have been for the J8 to have orbited the area where the
>Pilot
> > > went down, to assist SAR. However, the pilot obviously had other things
>on
> > > his mind, and one has to question what the heck China's true intentions
> > were
> > > when they sent those two planes. Perhaps it wasn't just for 'intercept'.
> > >
> > > But think about how an American would feel if circumstances were
>reversed
> > > and a Chinese plane that was SPYING on America killed an american pilot!
> > > COuld you imagine the outrage??
> > > Why should the world, or Americans expect a different reaction from the
> > > Chinese themselves, a culture far more rigid and focused on maintaining
> > its
> > > sovereignty than America's culture??
> > >
> > > America won't apologise, because it can't admit to wrong doing in this
> > > case...whether they were right or wrong, because it would set a bad
> > > precedent for the future. It's not like they are going to STOP spying on
> > > China.
> > >
> > > However, the American response to threaten China and to draft bills in
> > > parliaments to block their entry from the World Trade Organisation, and
> > also
> > > to somehow influence their eligibility as a site for the 2008 olympics
> > isn't
> > > kosher either.
> > >
> > > China could very well have returned the pilots a long time ago, the
> > extended
> > > length of time that they are keeping them, and questioning them however
>is
> > > necessary to appease its public, and also to save face. It also seems to
> > > suggest that the P3 was onto something, since they have boarded the spy
> > > plane and removed equipment.
> > >
> > > Its a very very edgy situation right now..because we are talking about
> > China
> > > here, America needs ties in the Chinese economy..and their relation with
> > > China can also affect their relationships with other countries in that
> > > region.Don't forget the ongoing situation with Taiwan.
> > >
> > > You can read more on the Chinese view of the matter here:
> > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-june01/chinaamb_4-4.html
> > >
> > > Henry Kissinger had this to say about the incident:
> > > "HENRY KISSINGER: To say we are sorry, we can say we are sorry for the
> > loss
> > > of the Chinese airplane and for the... we are sorry for the loss of life
> > > that has been caused. The spy planes are not a pleasant thing for the
> > target
> > > of this spy plane. But when you operate in international waters and if
>it
> > is
> > > a fact -- which I believe it is -- that we operated in international
> > waters,
> > > it is the legitimate right of the United States to do that. It is also
>the
> > > legitimate right of the Chinese to shadow these planes, and what we have
> > > here is an accident that two planes in close proximity, one of them
>veered
> > > into the other, and whoever did the veering should be determined by some
> > > sort of factual investigation. For the Chinese, the issue of sovereignty
> > is
> > > something that is tied to 150 years of feeling discriminated against by
> > > colonialists. And then there was the recent incident, the recent -- a
>few
> > > years ago -- where the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was bombed. "
> > >
> > > Note he veers well away from advocating a blanket apology at this
> > > stage..which is what the Chinese originally wanted.
> > >
> > > -Gel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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