Anything collected on the machine could have been easily destroyed, plus the
software that drives the systems. They couldn't have destroyed all of the
hardware onboard in 15 - 20 minutes, but they probably got the really
important stuff. The really sensitive equipment is computerized, so
destroying circuit boards wouldn't be difficult. One particular system that
I'm thinking could be a really big loss to the U.S. if the Chinese get it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
> Just out of curiosity, just how much of the data and equipment do you
think
> got destroyed before the plane was boarded?
>
> At 09:42 AM 4/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >I forgot to mention that the Chinese need U.S. $$$. This is the best
reason
> >for them to let this go. The fact that they've reacted this way indicates
> >that there may be some internal struggles going on between the
politicians
> >and the PLA (People's Liberation Army).
> >
> >Chris
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Erika L Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:06 AM
> >Subject: RE: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
> >
> >
> > > That's the first real reason I've heard of in the past few days. That
> >makes
> > > total sense to me.....however....doesn't it kind of put the US in
between
> >a
> > > rock and hard place? How long can the Chinese hold on to our crew
members?
> > >
> > > Erika
> > >
> > > "What's good about telling the truth is there's nothing to
remember." -
> >John
> > > Ford Noonan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Michl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:39 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
> > >
> > >
> > > I was one of the "spies" in the back of the Air Force equivalent to
the
> >EP-3
> > > for 8 years, so I guess I feel I'm somewhat qualified to comment here.
One
> > > of the reasons the U.S. can't simply apologize is that the crew is
still
> > > being held captive.
> > > If the U.S. apologizes there is a possibility that the Chinese will
put
> >the
> > > crew on trial and use the admission against them. IF an apology is due
> >(and
> > > I doubt it is) it should be made AFTER the crew is returned.
> > >
> > > Remember too that the crew is being interrogated -- in fact, the pilot
is
> > > now separated from the rest -- so anything said by the U.S. government
or
> >in
> > > the Press can, and will, be used against them. I've got only a little
bit
> >of
> > > experience in being interrogated, but believe me, it can be a
frightening
> > > and confusing experience.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ang�l Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:02 AM
> > > Subject: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
> > >
> > >
> > > > It's because to do that would indicate some wrong doing on America's
> >part.
> > > > http://centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/EP-3.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Inspection of the damaged P3 ORion is consistent with the Chinese
claim
> > > > that,
> > > > "Our aircraft's heading was 110 degree. The US aircraft was flying
400
> > > > meters to the right of ours and in parallel. The US plane all the
sudden
> > > > made a large maneuver, it turned inland ward and toward our plane,
it's
> > > nose
> > > > and left wing colided with one of our plane, causing it to lose
control
> > > and
> > > > crash into the sea."
> > > >
> > > > Here is a picture of the J8 aircraft.
> > > > http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-8-2_11.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Now by ICAO standards, the slowest moving plane in the sky has the
right
> > > > away, and in this case the P3 would have been that plane..so if the
> >pilot
> > > > veered away its up to the Interceptor, the CHinese, to maintain
> > > > seperation.There are also unconfirmed reports that the second J8
fired
> > > > cannons over the bow of the P3, forcing it down in China.
> > > >
> > > > The normal procedure in that situation when a plane is damaged and
pilot
> > > > bails, would have been for the J8 to have orbited the area where the
> >Pilot
> > > > went down, to assist SAR. However, the pilot obviously had other
things
> >on
> > > > his mind, and one has to question what the heck China's true
intentions
> > > were
> > > > when they sent those two planes. Perhaps it wasn't just for
'intercept'.
> > > >
> > > > But think about how an American would feel if circumstances were
> >reversed
> > > > and a Chinese plane that was SPYING on America killed an american
pilot!
> > > > COuld you imagine the outrage??
> > > > Why should the world, or Americans expect a different reaction from
the
> > > > Chinese themselves, a culture far more rigid and focused on
maintaining
> > > its
> > > > sovereignty than America's culture??
> > > >
> > > > America won't apologise, because it can't admit to wrong doing in
this
> > > > case...whether they were right or wrong, because it would set a bad
> > > > precedent for the future. It's not like they are going to STOP
spying on
> > > > China.
> > > >
> > > > However, the American response to threaten China and to draft bills
in
> > > > parliaments to block their entry from the World Trade Organisation,
and
> > > also
> > > > to somehow influence their eligibility as a site for the 2008
olympics
> > > isn't
> > > > kosher either.
> > > >
> > > > China could very well have returned the pilots a long time ago, the
> > > extended
> > > > length of time that they are keeping them, and questioning them
however
> >is
> > > > necessary to appease its public, and also to save face. It also
seems to
> > > > suggest that the P3 was onto something, since they have boarded the
spy
> > > > plane and removed equipment.
> > > >
> > > > Its a very very edgy situation right now..because we are talking
about
> > > China
> > > > here, America needs ties in the Chinese economy..and their relation
with
> > > > China can also affect their relationships with other countries in
that
> > > > region.Don't forget the ongoing situation with Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > > You can read more on the Chinese view of the matter here:
> > > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-june01/chinaamb_4-4.html
> > > >
> > > > Henry Kissinger had this to say about the incident:
> > > > "HENRY KISSINGER: To say we are sorry, we can say we are sorry for
the
> > > loss
> > > > of the Chinese airplane and for the... we are sorry for the loss of
life
> > > > that has been caused. The spy planes are not a pleasant thing for
the
> > > target
> > > > of this spy plane. But when you operate in international waters and
if
> >it
> > > is
> > > > a fact -- which I believe it is -- that we operated in international
> > > waters,
> > > > it is the legitimate right of the United States to do that. It is
also
> >the
> > > > legitimate right of the Chinese to shadow these planes, and what we
have
> > > > here is an accident that two planes in close proximity, one of them
> >veered
> > > > into the other, and whoever did the veering should be determined by
some
> > > > sort of factual investigation. For the Chinese, the issue of
sovereignty
> > > is
> > > > something that is tied to 150 years of feeling discriminated against
by
> > > > colonialists. And then there was the recent incident, the recent --
a
> >few
> > > > years ago -- where the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was bombed. "
> > > >
> > > > Note he veers well away from advocating a blanket apology at this
> > > > stage..which is what the Chinese originally wanted.
> > > >
> > > > -Gel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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