I agree it is bad to send several old messages...  I agree I have seen some
bad code...

However be careful that you yourself don't get looked at as snooty.

I have learned to program on my own.  When I was a teenager I took computers
in high school.  I took Basic, Adv. Basic, and Pascal.  I feel I learned
back then more then I realized.  We had to do flow charts but most of the
students did not make it in the Adv. Basic and almost all dropped the class
when we took Pascal.  For years after that I wanted to have a computer.  My
dad is a minister and was not a radio minister (grin) therefore we did not
have much money.  My parents did not buy me a computer like one of my
friends had.  However when I got married I bought my first computer.  I had
to return my first computer after the first week because I had bought such a
cheap one that I had passed it's capability.  It had the fonts on a prom
chip so I could not create my own fonts to use for a game I wanted to
create.  Since then I have created a pacman game in basic, Learned Perl for
the NT, Played with C and C++.   I have the opinion that I first have to
make sure that a person can do what they say.  Past co-employees have had
degrees and been from technical schools have not been the best coders.  In
fact sometimes they tend to think they know so much they will not listen to
experienced programmers.  I am not saying that is you.  Understand all good
programmers in the past were bad ones.   That is why I try and help those of
them that will at least listen.

My 6 cents  ( this is more then 2 cents)

I hope you understand what I am saying. The school of hard knocks doesn't
make a bad programmer instead a hard head unwilling to learn does.

Smile,

Nathan Stanford
Senior Programmer/Analyst
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Nathan Stanford
President/CEO
C.F. Concepts, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffry Houser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:54 AM
> To:   CF-Community
> Subject:      For those of you without a CS Degree
> 
> 
>   For those of you who are doing programming-type stuff without a CS 
> degree.  How did you learn programming logic?  (Or did you?)  I just can't
> 
> imagine doing a good job without knowing what I know.  I've seen so much 
> bad code.
> 
>   To everyone else, please watch your message quoting.  It's getting hard 
> to separate the new posts from the old posts in the digest.  There is no 
> need to quote the last seventeen messages in a thread.  Mabye it's just
> me.
> 
> 
> 
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