I agree with what your saying to some extent... with a big BUT though... <Some preamble> A study of two bird species which were seperated only thousands of years agi by a mountain range. Now, one bird species builds its nests by flying to the ground and picking up twigs with it's feet, the other with it's beak. In an attempt to determine whether this is a completely pre programmed response or something learned biologists bread the two species together - the results, offspring which could not make nests due to an inability to decide between picking up twigs with it's feet or beak. Also, birds will react just as quickly to a piece of cardboard with a red breast, as they will to a piece of caradboard that is shaped simarlarly and colored red. These are examples that I remember from my university Biology book... most such books have some sort of examples Birds and other similar life react to stimuli. They have pre programmed responses to certain events. They are described as automatons. Similar to my computer, if i press the 'a' on my keyboard i get an 'a' on my screen. Now these animals have no understanding of self, they dont know that they exist or have anything other then reactions. If you prick a bird with a needle it doesnt feel pain, instead it has evolved a pre programed response. Evolutions has 'told' the bird/animal to react this way because it will prolong it's life which will allow it to continue to spread it genetic makeup. On the other hand, chimpanzee's will look at a mirror and realise that it is a reflection of themselves, they will use the mirror to groom themselves and clean their teeth, again, this and other examples shows us that chimpanzee's have a very clear idea of self... They feel pain like we do.. Have similar emotions and so on... My point, i have no hesitation eating meet such as poultry, fish, and other organism's that have been proven to be no more then organic machines. But cows - well, they are very social animals and have well developed brains... These animals could very well have an understanding of self. </Some preamble> and here is my BUT... I believe it is wrong to kill an animal that understands that it exists, such as cows, horses, whales, etc ... In the same vein i also believe that the killing of fish and chickens is as morally wrong as switching of my computer.. Regards, Javier > -----Original Message----- > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 2:51 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: It's still killing, and we're still eating(RE: > CF-Community-List V1 #243) > > > I'm..not following you. > > Eating meat that wasn't raised to be killed and eaten? > > You mean we should go run out and hunt and kill bears, > deer,wild pigs etc. > in the forest? ^_^ > You have the cows that are bred for milk...and you have the > cows and pigs > that are bred for meat. > > The problem is, as you said, that getting that meat to us to > consume is > expensive. Hence the reason for feeding the animals their own > carcasses and > bodily fluids in the first place. > > I'm not a vegetarian...I don't think that humans were meant to be > vegetarian. We are omnivores, and that is what our digestive system is > designed to handle...meat and plant food. > > As evidenced by your teacher, even the vegetarians like the > taste of meat. > > I also don't much care about killing the animals in the first > place. *shrug* > We kill non-sentient creatures to live..its a fact of life. > Whether those creatures are animals who's pain etc we can > relate to in some > way, or plants who's mechanisms for acknowledging pain and methods of > 'communication' are so alien to us that we feel removed. > > But it is still killing...and we're still eating. > Whether Kosher/Halal..or Big Ole Unca Bob's Butcher Shop. > ^_^ > > -Gel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > I had a teacher in my college days who swore he could make a veggie > burger that tasted just like a hamburger. I don't understand > why you'd > want to give up eating burgers if you're just going to try to make > something else taste like the. The same teacher swore that > the vegetarian > ways of he and his wife had absolutely no influence over > their son , who > wouldn't eat beef. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
