build! build! BUILD! damn the wetlands!!!
>:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: George Kaytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:14 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Lightbulb changing, CA style
Hey, Jay... we don't try to abuse anyone here. You bring up some very valid
points. I support W on most issues, except for the environment. He seems to
eager piss away our pristine lands.
-george
>From: "Jay Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Lightbulb changing, CA style
>Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:35:01 -0400
>
>
><lurk mode="off">
>
>Hello all, I just had to chime in on this one. This list sure has taken on
>a
>serious tone this week.
>
>As I understand it, we here in the states have *enjoyed* artificially low
>gas prices due largely to very strong oil and auto lobbies, which have been
>able to get our gov't to subsidize much of the real costs of gas by having
>them absorbed by other entities and huge tax breaks, the end result of
>which
>is cheap gas and cars for all.
>
>Talk to urban geographers, and they will tell you that this is a major
>factor in the loss of a sense of "place" or community in suburban US.
>Everyone basically has a car, so there is no need to build the Piggly
>Wiggly
>in a central location so the community can walk or bike to it. We build
>"gated communities" now, not neighborhoods.
>
>I have had a theory forming that these gas prices may just be artificially
>inflated themselves. I my be opening myself up for abuse here, but my
>theory
>is based on the fact that these subsidies and tax breaks have not changed,
>and I understand our oil reserves are rather robust. We now have oil men as
>President and VP, and they want to build a power plant every week for the
>next 20 years (about 1300 total), drill in the Florida Keys, Gulf of Mexico
>off Florida, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (Alaska), etc. All this
>runs contrary to another huge multi-agency multi-year study released a few
>months ago which details how we could save TONS of energy by implementing
>simple measures, but you won't hear VP Cheney mentioning this study.
>
>"The National Resources Defense Council, Union of Concerned Scientists and
>National Environmental Trust were among the green groups that said the Bush
>administration was ignoring the role of energy conservation measures."
>(Yahoo News, May 9)
>
>Yes, I am concerned. I live in Florida, a state that is supposed to
>deregulate the energy industry next year. I hope those in power have
>learned
>some lessons from California, but the pessimist in me doubts it. Oh yeah,
>we
>have another oil man as guv'nah, Jeb Bush.
>
>
>But don't take my word for it...
>http://www.icta.org/projects/trans/
>http://www.rense.com/political/gas.htm
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010509/pl/energy_bush_conservation_dc_1.h
t
>ml
>
>
>....and no muffins thanks, I've just had lunch.
><lurk mode="on">
>
>jj
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:00 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Lightbulb changing, CA style
>
>
>So which is the cause and which is the effect?
>1. Does public transportation require funding via fuel taxes, thereby
>making personal transportation unaffordable?
>OR
>2. Is fuel in such short supply that that fuel prices sky-rocket, thereby
>increasing the demand for public transportation?
>
>Given the 400% fuel tax, I suspect the former.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:06 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Lightbulb changing, CA style
>
>
> > My sentiments exactly. Except, we were lulled for years and years by
> > artificially low fuel prices. So of course instead of adequate transit
> > systems, we have highways, so everyone can exercise their inalienable
> > God-given right to commute long distances with one person in the
>vehicle.
> > And everyone seems to want an SUV or pickup, which are classed as light
> > trucks not cars, so don't have to meet fuel economy rules.
> >
> > Am I correct that most of your higher price is in taxes, which goes to
>pay
> > for transit etc.?
>
> >From what I remember, our wonderful government takes something like 71p
>on
>every pound on petrol tax... yup, that a 400% tax! And people complain
>about
>other taxation...
>
>If you want figures... http://www.abd.org.uk/taxtable.htm
>
>Philip Arnold
>Director
>Certified ColdFusion Developer
>ASP Multimedia Limited
>T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133
>
>"Websites for the real world"
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