I posted this on a CFUG usergroup list and I wanted my thoughts to be know
my more in the community.
Nathan Stanford
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I hear you Robert Hinojosa,
However look at Visual Basic. If we continue to market ColdFusion and other
good products like this one they WILL grow in popularity. Actually the
managers do listen to the media but that will change. FADs like ERP, Dot
Com everything, etc. are like the tide they come in and go out however with
ColdFusion it is NOT just a FAD and we developers who continue to grow the
community by converting whoever we can and continuing to bring in beginners
to our group we will become a SOLID part of everyone's business. If we grow
steadily then companies will begin to find the stability in us and our
product.
We are not offended at your remarks we know that UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED
WE FALL. I have a very strong opinion about things and I may disagree with
some of my fellow developers however I do my best to still support them
because I feel if we continue to be UNITED and not DIVIDED then we can bring
a gradual change to the web community. Since ColdFusion in a future version
will support JSP does not mean that using JSP will always be the best
solution. However MacroMedia will do what it needs to support the developer
and the companies. Sometimes new things will be added for the companies
benefit. This is still a good thing for the developer because we can sell
our tool of our trade to the companies we work with. There are tons of web
development tools out there that can be used. Some will succeed and some
will fail. Already with MacroMedia buying Allaire this has made companies
that would not take notice before sit up and listen.
One last thing. Remember yes MacroMedia reads this list but also Remember
Companies that are considering buying ColdFusion read lists like this one as
well. This is the best place to get insider information and insider dirt.
So lets make SURE we stand firm in our tool of trade at least on this list.
This is my opinion it may not be the opinion of everyone on the list so take
it as it comes,
Nathan Stanford
Senior Programmer/Analyst
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P.S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Hinojosa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: half.com
Billy,
I think you are right that it is still growing, and the developer
community has grown tremendously, however, you know as well as I do that
corporations like to be on top of, or do what their competetors are doing at
that time. Remeber the initiation of the tabs! Drove me nuts to see every
single corporate site with tabs across the top (my fault included)! But
seeing the market today, especially in a consulting role, it seems like the
days of the total corporate solution has come and conquered, i.e. EMS, ERP,
CRM, Portal, e-commerce packages, of which CF can't really compare unless
developed from the start (more $$$). Most of the packages are really bad
anyway(Oracle's iPortal), but corporations want to use this *so called* new
Java technology. I really don't mind using (buggy) JSP/Java, it's just that
I don't like having to move from something I am perfectly happy with to
something I like alright. I don't know, maybe I should just be a
conformist and be whatever it is "the man" wants me to do next. Sorry for
my rants, I haven't posted in a while, just thought I'd get it all out now.
=)
-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Cravens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: half.com
At this point, you find it used alot as an intranet
technology, but that doesn't mean that you won't find it on the corporate
front-end. I don't think it's "dying out"; I think it is less common, but
still growing.
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Billy Cravens
HR Systems, Sabre
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Hinojosa
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: half.com
So, I just noticed that half.com is coldfusion site.
Does anyone know the general architecture of the site, has it been cf all
this time? I noticed that it really only uses cf for page layout, and not
for any dirty work (cgi). One would think it would have to be one of the
larger cf sites besides roomstogo and autobytel. I know Billy brought up a
good point in learning new skills, but seriously, is CF dying? Is CF
becoming an *intranet* application server? Personally, I love to be as well
rounded as possible, but I actually like writing CF, as much as I hated
writing PERL back in the days. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Robert Hinojosa
Senior WebDeveloper
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www.hencie.com
972-671-0011 ext.284
Nathan Stanford
Senior Programmer/Analyst
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