Well,
To be honest I am personally looking at the CF market and getting slightly
worried. (www.jobserve.com). As a consultant/contractor I have to examine
technologies and see where their positioning for the future is as I
consider myself to be a Developer who coincidentally uses ColdFusion.
Currently we use a number of technologies (Perl, ASP, ColdFusion, Lotus,
Oracle WebDB) and there is an internal study going on to possibly choose a
core technology, but long term, I don't consider any of these to be where
the Web industry is going. I personaly feel (as does Macromedia) that JSP
and EJB are pretty much where it is at.
And I have a very large mortgage that needs paying. So I'm currently
developing in CF and JSP...I'll get round to EJBs at some point.
You can get fanatical about a language, and CF is the fastest way I have
ever developed web applications, but market forces prevail and skills must
develop for the market.
I've done the fanatical about a language and could not understand why
other companies where not using it more. To the point where the only job I
could find doing that skill was in another country. Not going there again.
NB: I don't think for one instance that CF will go that route. I consider
it superior to all Web Application development languages and Neo (CF6) is
an awesome development, but that is at least a year away.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Stanford [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 22 May 2001 15:05
To: CF-Community
Subject: CF DEVELOPERS UNITED
I posted this on a CFUG usergroup list and I wanted my thoughts to be know
my more in the community.
Nathan Stanford
================================================================================I hear
you Robert Hinojosa,However look at Visual Basic. If we continue to market ColdFusion
andothergood products like this one they WILL grow in popularity. Actually
themanagers do listen to the media but that will change. FADs like ERP, DotCom
everything, etc. are like the tide they come in and go out however withColdFusion it
is NOT just a FAD and we developers who continue to grow thecommunity by converting
whoever we can and continuing to bring in beginnersto our group we will become a SOLID
part of everyone's business. If wegrowsteadily then companies will begin to find the
stability in us and ourproduct. We are not offended at your remarks we know that
UNITED WE STAND ANDDIVIDEDWE FALL. I have a very strong opinion about things and I
may disagree withsome of my fellow developers however I do my best to still support
thembecause I feel if we continue to be UNITED and not DIVIDED then!
we canbringa gradual change to the web community. Since ColdFusion in a
futureversionwill support JSP does not mean that using JSP will always be the
bestsolution. However MacroMedia will do what it needs to support thedeveloperand the
companies. Sometimes new things will be added for the companiesbenefit. This is
still a good thing for the developer because we can sellour tool of our trade to the
companies we work with. There are tons of webdevelopment tools out there that can be
used. Some will succeed and somewill fail. Already with MacroMedia buying Allaire
this has made companiesthat would not take notice before sit up and listen.One last
thing. Remember yes MacroMedia reads this list but also RememberCompanies that are
considering buying ColdFusion read lists like this oneaswell. This is the best place
to get insider information and insider dirt.So lets make SURE we stand firm in our
tool of trade at least on this list.This is my opinion it may not be the o!
pinion of everyone on the list sotakeit as it comes,Nathan StanfordSen
ior [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Hinojosa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001
4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: half.com Billy,
I think you are right that it is still growing, and the developercommunity has
grown tremendously, however, you know as well as I do thatcorporations like to be on
top of, or do what their competetors are doingatthat time. Remeber the initiation of
the tabs! Drove me nuts to see everysingle corporate site with tabs across the top
(my fault included)! Butseeing the market today, especially in a consulting role, it
seems like thedays of the total corporate solution has come and conquered, i.e. EMS,
ERP,CRM, Portal, e-commerce packages, of which CF can't really compare unlessdeveloped
from the start (more $$$). Most of the packages are really badanyway(Oracle's
iPortal), but corporations want to use this *so called* newJava technology. I really
don't mind using (bu!
ggy) JSP/Java, it's just thatI don't like having to move from something I am
perfectly happy with tosomething I like alright. I don't know, maybe I should just
be aconformist and be whatever it is "the man" wants me to do next. Sorry formy
rants, I haven't posted in a while, just thought I'd get it all out now.=)
-----Original Message----- From: Billy Cravens
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: half.com
At this point, you find it used alot as an intranettechnology, but that
doesn't mean that you won't find it on the corporatefront-end. I don't think it's
"dying out"; I think it is less common, butstill growing.
--- Billy Cravens HR Systems, Sabre
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-----Original Message----- From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Hinojosa
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:01 PM To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]!
Subject: half.com
So, I just noticed that half.com is coldf
usion site.Does anyone know the general architecture of the site, has it been cf
allthis time? I noticed that it really only uses cf for page layout, and notfor any
dirty work (cgi). One would think it would have to be one of thelarger cf sites
besides roomstogo and autobytel. I know Billy brought up agood point in learning new
skills, but seriously, is CF dying? Is CFbecoming an *intranet* application server?
Personally, I love to be aswellrounded as possible, but I actually like writing CF, as
much as I hatedwriting PERL back in the days. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Robert Hinojosa Senior WebDeveloper
[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hencie.com
972-671-0011 ext.284 Nathan StanfordSenior [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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