Actually I just re-read your posts and didn't see an apology anywhere in
there. Maybe it was disguised in "Please, think before you spew forth
garbage about liberals."
I can see how I would not see the apology in that.
You know I noticed that you didn't bother to reply to the request from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] regarding your definition of liberalism and
conservatism.
J.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:50 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Cowards
Whoa! I replied with the word Nazi because he said, in effect, round them
all up and kill them (he was referring to the IRA but the discussion was
around this). That is genocide, whether it be a racist or not. That was the
take I had in his comments and thoughts. I expressed my thought that that
sounded like a Nazi. I also apologized in a following email for it being a
poorly chosen and short response.
That said, I think that his way of thinking was very similar to Nazism.
BTW - NO WHERE did I say we should not hit back. I DID say we should not
knee jerk and attack indiscriminately and "kill them all". There are over a
billion Muslim peoples in the world, 1/6th of the world population. Finding
out EXACTLY who did this, hunting them down, is the right track. I too am
ex-military, though that was 11 years ago. I have no problem with using
force where needed. I and others have been (indirectly) attacked in here as
liberals, like that hides the direct attack, because we say we should
moderate and discriminate who we attack.
Also, as to the first post at the bottom of this page, you say "...arguments
and anger been taking childrens and families lives and then feel its some
kind of triumph". Did we (I am American) not do this in Vietnam from 40K
feet with bombs?
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:19 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Cowards
>
>
> I agree whole-heatedly. I want to make sure here that people make the
> distinction between aggression and hatred, retribution and racism. I've
> seen people call other people Nazi's because they disagree with someone
> else's opinions. I've seen other responses to posts calling
> others racists
> because they seek retribution against those that did this. Wanting Osama
> Bin Laden's head on a stick is not racist. Wanting to eliminate
> those that
> support him is not hatred. Wanting to eliminate those who are from the
> middle east, have middle eastern descent, or resemble someone who does IS
> racist. That IS hatred. It is those things because it defies logic. It
> defies reason. Now I haven't read every single post on this topic. I am
> just way too busy at work to do so. But I have seen a consistent reply to
> those who support action as being labeled racist or as being filled with
> hate. People are angry, but that does not mean that they hate.
>
> This is going to sound dramatic, but it is not meant to be so.
> This is just
> plain, stark reality. I left military service in April of 98. I am on
> inactive status until April 2002. That means that I am on a short list of
> people to be called back if they need personnel to fill billets. I am a
> little scared about going away to possibly not come back. I am not scared
> because I fear death. I don't. I am afraid because I have a 9 month old
> son and the thought of leaving him behind tears me apart. But what scares
> me even more is that my wife is also former military. She can be called
> back also. We held the type of job that cost the government a
> lot of money
> to train us so they will want to get their money's worth. That's not
> speculation, that's fact. (We are both military intelligence
> linguists and
> spent over two years training before we actually got to a regular duty
> station). The thought of my son without us, the fear in his eyes
> when he is
> without his mommy and daddy makes me want to cry, and I don't cry very
> easily. For people in New York and else where, that is a reality. People
> on those planes and in those buildings were moms and dads, sons and
> daughters, husbands and wives. They are experiencing the loss that I fear
> might happen to me. For them it is very real. Because of that, I want to
> go back. I want to go back for my son, for those people that died, for
> those kids without parents, those parents without children, and those
> husbands and wives without their spouses.
>
> If you think that makes me filled with hatred or a racist then so be it.
> You have your opinion. But I want blood. I want the blood of those
> responsible. And we will have it.
>
> Michael Corrigan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:30 AM
> Subject: Cowards
>
>
> > It just makes me angry.
> >
> > We've been going forwards and backwards over this now for days,
> maybe they
> > have a valid grievance, maybe they don't.
> >
> > Maybe by training bin laden to be a terrorist, it is some kind of warped
> > retribution, who knows.
> >
> > But when push comes to shove we're missing the point. Him, or
> whoever did
> > this is a coward, not even human. If he wanted to make a real show why
> > didn't they make an attempt a proper military target, they could've
> achieved
> > the same objective. Killing themselves while taking people with them,
> > making a dramatic gesture...
> >
> > To express their arguments and anger been taking childrens and families
> > lives and then feel its some kind of triumph. They are beyond contempt,
> > that kind of thinking is beyond comtempt. I can't express how much it
> > sickens me to think people like that exist amoung us. I'm a
> father and to
> > think that my son could've been killed on that plane..
> >
> > I just have a feeling though that we have to try to maintain
> our integrity
> > at the moment, blind hatred leads to the kind of mental sickness that
> > spurned these actions.
> >
> > So where does that leave us? forgiveness is unquestionable, to
> mull in our
> > hatred allows them to defeat us on a personal level,,,,
> >
> > Mark Smyth
> > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
> > Systems Union eBusiness Solutions
> > 01865 880800
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.systemsunion.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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