> Sam, your quoted link is hardly authorities. But in
> it the author admits the
> bush lies. He claims the Al Qaeda connection to
> Saddam was a lie, however Both
> the President and the Vice President as recently as
> a few days ago are sticking
Ø to their claims of the connection.
I can�t find where he says that.
I read where he states there definitely is a
connection, but would like you to point out the
section where he claims Bush is lying.
> Then he goes on
> to bash the messenger and
> not the message, just as I forecasted in the
beginning of the thread.
It�s a long article and I couldn�t find anything about
him bashing the messenger. Could you be more specific
please?
> He even has the brass to state a "working vacation"
is not a
> "vacation" when Moore did
> not distinguish between the two.
Moore claimed Bush was on vacation 42 percent of the
time in the first eight months. But that�s because
Moore counted weekends as vacation time as well as the
time he was at Camp David with foreign leaders. If you
take that into consideration, he was actually on
vacation 13% of the time. Presidents go to Camp David
to work in a somewhat stress free environment. He�s
still working, like most other Presidents since I
think Carter.
So I don�t see your point.
> It is public knowledge that the Pentagon is
> withholding $393 million dollars in
> payments to Halliburton due to false billing and
> gross overcharges. It is
> public knowledge that VP Cheney used his influence
> to pave the way for the
Ø Halliburton Contracts.
I can�t agree with that. As discussed here other
firms either weren�t qualified to handle the task or
they were from countries that didn�t support the war.
Clinton would have chosen Halliburton as he did years
earlier. I believe Gore and Kerry would have also.
That�s the way it is and I don�t necessarily agree
with it but it had nothing to do with Cheney. I could
be wrong but I haven�t seen any of these articles
claming Cheney used his influence.
Ø The email memos give
> evidence of that, not Moore's
> documentary.
> It is public knowledge that the VP still hold a
> substantial amount of
> Halliburton shares, plus options, and when
> Halliburton makes money, so does the
> Vice President.
Yes he had a job before he became Vice-President.
That�s not a crime unless the above statement proves
true.
> He further states that the Moore Documentary was
> one-sided. No one disputes
> that. Not even Moore.
>
> I could go further, but with you it is a waste of
> time because you wear rose
> colored Glasses. All of us who are your colleagues
> urge you to start thinking
> for yourself.
Again with the personal attacks. I can think for
myself, I read the papers and I try to present my
view, backed by facts but I get attacked personally.
There�s no reason for you to say I can�t think on my
own. My side is real and I have plenty of sources to
back them.
> To quote Cannady on his afternoon talk gig just
> today; " These are bad times for
> conservatives" referring to the revelations of back
> room dealing, criminal
> activity, etc.
Fine, that�s your point of view. I don�t tell you
can�t think. I happen to read that the opposite is
going on. Kerry is in serious trouble because
everything Bush promised has come through. Even with
Bush at his lowest approval rating since becoming
President, Kerry is still just even in the polls. He
has no issues of his own so it�s downhill from here.
We have two different views and that�s normal. The
difference is I want to talk about it but you just
want to dismiss me.
> And I guess you think you are the only proud
> American around, huh? Guess what,
> you aren't.
Never said that and never implied it.
Can'r we all just get along :)
-sm
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