> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:48 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
>
>
> Let me back up from my previous post ... I'll answer this ... I was just
> pissed before because this is all so obvious ...
We are so stupid. Please enlighten us. BTW - Obvious = "any fool can see".
Thanks. I needed to be called fool this morning.
>
> Look, it's pretty clear that Bin Laden is the man behind this.
> Why would you
> defend him? That seems like a terrible betrayal of more than 5,000 people
> who died on Tuesday.
He is not defending him, he is making a point about the media.
>
> It's not frightening that the U.S. would cut ties with operatives once the
> mission is completed or no longer needed. What's frightening is that these
> people would then use our own resources against us. There is no
> justification for it. There can certainly be no justification for killing
> more than 5,000 civilians in an unprovoked, cowardly attack.
Well, not unless you consider how many Muslims we and Britain have helped
kill by our sanctions against Iraq. These people are pissed at us. Get it?
Would I have attacked civilians? No. Would a person who has no standing
army, no tanks, planes, ships, etc. who has declared a Holy War on us? Yes.
Did we firebomb Dressden and kill a low estimate of 40,000 people? Yes. Were
they all "guilty"? I very seriously doubt it. Were they all Nazis? Highly
unlikely.
>
> This isn't a witch hunt. This is a methodical investigation. It may prove
> Bin Laden is not behind it, but I doubt it.
>
> As for attacks on U.S. citizens and residents who look or are Muslim, this
> is regrettable, but this is not the government's fault. Our leaders have
> made a number of statements and the media has been full of news on this
> issue (yes, Jennifer, it has been WIDELY reported even before any deaths),
> pleading with people not to take this kind of action. Neither the
> government nor the country at large nor the media can be held accountable
> for the actions of a few ignorant scum.
Sure it is. This country makes little effort in the way of "pleading".
Instead of hours of people conjecturing over the news, they have been asking
people to stay calm and understand how devestating this must be to people
who are of Arabic descent living and working in this melting pot of a
country we call the United States of America. Land of the FREE. Equal
protection and so on.
>
> As for dealing with terrorists in this country, due process will be
> followed. Is that a concept you don't understand, Paris? And it would be
> unfair and unjust to close our borders because of a few nut
> cases. There are
> other ways of dealing with the problem.
Why would you think he does not understand due process? When we fired
missles into Afghanistan at Bin Laden in the past, was that "due process"?
Was it legal to fire missles into another soverign country? No. But we are
the US. We do what we want. Screw the UN. Screw international law.
>
> What anti-citizen legislation are you talking about?
>
> H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
>
>
> The media isn't diverse...
>
> CNN has habitually propogated phony information.
>
> It seems unlikely Bin Laden is as bad as we believe as Americans -due
> to our media misinformation...
>
> Take for instance the huge amounts of money funneled to the Taliban
> last year for humanitarian aid... guess that is what they call payment
> for Opium these days... or perhaps a shell for the CIA to pay Mr. Laden
> his yearly retainer... Take it that Bin Laden's brother owns/holds a
> chair at Harvard... take that Bin Laden's family is the contractor for
> American bases in the Middle East...
>
> Doesn't any of that make you a bit uneasy if this guy is the anti-
> matter man our media portrays him as?
>
> The US government has this way of marking its operatives when their
> usefulness is over... It is frightening....
>
> We shouldn't be concerned with the sketchy pursuit of ghosts... this is
> our modern day witch hunt... My scary white American brethern are
> terrorizing American born citizens of Arab blood... nice truck drove
> through a mosque today in Cleveland..
>
> Listen, if terrorist are the problem... and I hear they are... why
> aren't we sending people from that part of the world home? Why aren't
> we coming up with new INS laws to make it harder to come here?? Why
> aren't there new laws for visitors and national ID cards for those
> folks? Heck we already have a darn SSN and drivers license, isn't that
> enough...??
>
> The story seems to me that the government is coming down on the citizen
> in the name of terrorism... all the pending legislation is anti-
> citizen..
>
> -paris
>
> [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
> [connecting people, places and things]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:46:22 -0700
> Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
>
> > The coverage has been pretty "It's bin Laden's fault. We're innocent.
> > Let
> > me say that again. It's bin Laden's fault. etc." Things like the
> > racist
> > attacks across the country were largely ignored by major TV and
> > internet
> > media until someone died. I'm not sure how other media handled it.
> > Our
> > local TV news covered attacks on the first day they broadcasted
> > (which I
> > believe was Wednesday). But the national news didn't.
> >
> > Other news has been ignored. On Tuesday, I went to the CNN.com site
> > to read
> > the world news section to get information on what was going on around
> > the
> > world and the headlines were the same headlines as were on the main
> > page
> > and US page. Even in the Middle East section, there was no link to
> > the
> > story about Kabul being bombed that day. I searched the site to find
> > that
> > information. It was in the site. It simply wasn't linked in the
> > CNN.com>World>Middle East section.
> >
> > I think that's the diversity he's saying is lacking. Apparently, this
> > is
> > the only thing that has happened in the world for the last week.
> >
> > At 10:25 PM 9/17/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > >I don't follow your point. How are these rumors (and a couple of
> > facts)
> > >related to anything I said? Or the diversity of the media?
> > Diversified how?
> > >
> > >H.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:06 PM
> > >To: CF-Community
> > >Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
> > >
> > >
> > >Yeah well anyone hearing that the tons of gold under the towers
> > >allegedly has turned up missing?
> > >
> > >Dow dropped how much? and we just sent 50 billion to the EU even
> > though
> > >the Euro is trading higher than the dollar...
> > >
> > >Wish the US media was a bit more diversified...
> > >
> > >[finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
> > >[connecting people, places and things]
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:05:15 -0700
> > >Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
> > >
> > > > Sorry, but monetary considerations were and are secondary on a
> > news
> > > > story.
> > > >
> > > > I've been a professional journalist for 15 years in all sorts of
> > > > positions,
> > > > including management and including two stints as publisher of
> > small
> > > > publications. I've also been a career-long member of the Society
> > of
> > > > Professional Journalists and a former president of the San Diego
> > > > chapter (if
> > > > you want to compare credentials).
> > > >
> > > > When a big story breaks, the news comes first. It's not greed.
> > Yes,
> > > > it's
> > > > credibility -- you're credibility is at stake -- but it's not
> > > > credibility
> > > > aimed at increasing profits, it's credibility aimed at retaining
> > > > viability.
> > > > It's about quality. There's a nuance of difference between doing
> > > > something
> > > > because you think it might mean bigger profits down the road, and
> > > > doing
> > > > something because you want to retain reader and viewer respect,
> > let
> > > > alone
> > > > your own self respect. Profitability and viability is only a by
> > > > product of
> > > > doing a good job.
> > > >
> > > > Many of these newspapers that published special editions,
> > including
> > > > my own,
> > > > have no direct competition, so they are not likely to lose
> > readers if
> > > > they
> > > > don't roll the presses in the middle of the day.
> > > >
> > > > And if all of the networks run continuous coverage, then there is
> > no
> > > > real
> > > > advantage in one over the other. They are not going to gain any
> > new
> > > > viewers
> > > > because of it. Sure, they might lose if they don't, but these
> > are
> > > > news
> > > > organizations populated from top to bottom people who are
> > life-long
> > > > news
> > > > professionals (I've met many of them, including icons such as Don
> > > > Hewitt and
> > > > Sid Mickelson).
> > > >
> > > > Yes, these news organizations (including mine, E.W. Scripps) are
> > > > publicly
> > > > owned and ultimately accountable to their stock holders, but they
> > are
> > > > accountable first (and this is certainly true of E.W. Scripps) to
> > > > their own
> > > > conscience.
> > > >
> > > > H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:18 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > That's the way media works.
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > I've been trained in newspaper and radio, and specifically
> > trained
> > > > for news
> > > > and management. I used to run a radio station. It was a very
> > popular
> > > > station that year. I was the editor of my high school newspaper.
> > I
> > > > know how
> > > > it works. I feel free to criticize them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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