it results in women abusing the fact that we have this attitude. Case
in point being a friend of mine whos son did _not_ sexually assault
someone else's 2 yr old baby, but was in juvie anyway, even tho 3
other grown men were already in prison for molesting the same baby...
That'd have to be one damn sexy baby to seduce 3 separate grown men...
So... hmm... let's see... blanket statement = abuse of blanket
statement... yea, I think that pretty much sums it up. So you'd rather
these 3 guys be in prison for something they didn't do than for us to
treat each case individually on its own merit (and history)?
Is it okay to force sex on someone? no.
Is it okay to have sex with someone while they're asleep or drugged?
no
Is it okay to give someone ruphenol without their knowledge and then
have sex with them since they won't remember? no
All of these are "violent" acts against another person...
If a person you're with falls asleep in the middle of having sex
because they're too drunk to stay awake do you have to stop having sex
immediately? ... imho there is a time and place to say that people
know what to expect and that the "victim" involved should share the
responsibility for what happens to them. The scenario in which someone
who's been rubbing their scent all over someone, takes them back to
their room presumably to have sex and becomes so slobbering drunk that
they pass out is entirely different than someone who's in control of
their faculties, walking down the street and is suddenly assaulted. I
don't think there's a reasonable argument that makes these two the
same thing. Trying to make them the same only results in people
abusing the system that makes them the same.
> I have to disagree.
> Those "we were drunk" and "Well she did not resist" are
> lame excuses to say the
> least.
> It is still Rape, and Rape is a violent crime. Horrible
> misunderstanding does
> not even apply in these cases.
> Period, end of story.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beth F
> "Considered violent" and "Is violent" are two different
> things.
> For example, I give you a situation that happened to a
> friend of mine:
> Met a girl at a college party, both were very drunk.
> Took her back
> to his room, they ended up having sex. She appeared to
> be reacting
> consensually to him, she showed some hesitation, but
> then appeared to
> be reacting appropriately. She spent the night and left
> the next
> morning, without any ill will.
> he was thrown out of school for "rape", because
> apparently her
> hesitation (which she appeared to get over quickly) was
> a "no".
> there was a well publicized case in California where a
> 17 year old boy
> was convicted of rape because the girl said "I want to
> go home" during
> the act. She never fought, never said no, never pushed
> him away -
> just in the middle of the act said "I want to go home".
> These rapes aren't violent and shouldn't be treated as
> such. They are
> horrible misunderstandings between people who need to
> communicate
> before screwing around, but those men did not committ
> violent crimes.
>
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