So its ok then that a right wing fundie attorney general (i.e., Ashcroft) trashes the constitution? It seems you're attacking the person and stereotyping rather than discussing the ideas.
-- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Pierre Demester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:44 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: U.S. Will Monitor Calls to Lawyers > > > You guys are just about worthless to talk to... > You can't even have a common sense discussion... very much > like a democrat > I'd say. > > You parse words and sentences to the extreme - and make the resulting > statements appear the way you want them to appear. > > So - this discussion is over on my part. Good luck. > > Pierre > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:36 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: U.S. Will Monitor Calls to Lawyers > > > Inline. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pierre Demester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 11:41 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: U.S. Will Monitor Calls to Lawyers > > > > > > I doubt you live in a third country... may be a second world. > > Otherwise you would not have access to a computer. > > > > As far a appreciation - you do what it takes to get the job done. > > When the job is complete - then you re-examine the rules. > > That sounds great. Like the (help me here people, >85 > people?) on death row > that have been found innocent because the system is so messed > up. How many > are dead that were innocent. Re-examine the rules. Man. > > Let's see, someone in this group phones in an anonymous tip, > maybe even > sends in some of my (sound bited) emails. The FBI watch my > family drive away > to work one day. They go in, poke around, find my silver > boxer shorts, an > AR-15 in the gun safe, Ruger P-89 pistol, bunch of old > swords, a toy machine > gun my dad made for me as a child, my old BDUs from my AF > days, etc. Then > they snoop my email. Whoa, look at this non-conformist, > subversive type. > Left wing radical. Totally disregarding the first, second, > fourth and fifth > amendments (did I miss anything?). > > Of course, the news gets leaked this and FOX News shows a > bunch of FBI guys > carrying out my "arsenal" of weapons, my computer used to subvert the > government, etc. Sheriffs deputies show up at my place of employment > (conveniently with a CNN news team) and arrest me, all nice > and friendly > like. > > Now the nasty part starts. My job is in the dumps. I go to > court and begin > to spend large sums of money defending myself against these baseless > accusations. Finally I get off. The government does not even > apologize. I > have a $190,000 lawyer bill. The media has forgotten me, so > they never come > out and say, "Oh, that reporting we did, that was a huge foul > up on our > part, our credibility is, um, just not there." You get the picture. > > Where does it go from here? > > What the hell was the Revolutionary War for. I recall it had > a reason for > happening. > > "...get the job done." I bet Hitler said those exact same > words to Goebbels. > I know he did to Himmler. > > -Gary > > > > > I don't wish civil liberties to be lost - but a lot of the > problem we face > > today, are because people take civil liberties to the extreme. > > How can you take a civil liberty to the extreme? Good God man. > > > > > You protect your liberties - not by reducing the strength > of those who > > protect you. > > But instead, by ensuring that those who protect you - have > the ability to > > protect you. > > I wonder how many Germans and Jews bought into to that line > as the Nazis > came to power spouting super-patriotic, nationalist rhetoric. > > They can protect us. They just did not protect us. > > -Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:34 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: U.S. Will Monitor Calls to Lawyers > > > > > > I do live in a third world country! > > > > ROFLMAOPIP! > > > > And what does appreciating the freedoms you have, got to do with > > appreciating the freedoms that are being taken away or > stamped upon in > > the name of....what.."National Security" , which is > incidentally what > > myself and the previous posters were alluding to? > > > > -Gel > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pierre Demester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > In my opinion, you need to live for a long duration in a 3rd world > > country... maybe then, you would appreciate the freedoms we > have in this > > country. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Isn't this what I've been saying all along? > > > > Ashcroft and his interest groups have been wanting to pass draconian > > laws such as these for some time now. > > > > September 11th gave them their excuse. You are most correct, to hell > > with the rights of the American people, to hell with the > Constitution. > > Ashcroft thinks people in America had too much freedom to > begin with, > > remember? > > > > I wonder when Lieberman will continue after the > Entertainment Industry > > and Computer Games? > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
