My point. In such a case, the sound of the name is what's being tested, not the ethnicity of the subject. This might well be xenophobia and not racism (though xenophobia is close enough to it).
> I hate to say it but the chances are that they would show a similar > effect. I suspect that other highly ethnic names would also have a > lower callback than "white" names. > > One mitigating factor apparently is location. The location of > busineose businesses had a mitigating factor - businesses located in > neighbourhoods with a predominantly black population had a > significantly higher callback rate for the "black" named resumes than > those located in "white" neighbourhoods. > > larry > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:27:55 -0500, Michael Dinowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I get home. I'm dealing with a million dollars in lost orders or > so. > > Fun. :( > > It's not the lilly white names I'm worried about, it's the ones that > don't > > sound lilly white. Will Moshe, Shemaryahu or Hinda Tova be treated as if > > they were white, black or 'other' (i.e. black category)? Is Judith and > > Michael 'white' enough for a job where my children's names will not be? > I'll > > read and see if this was addressed. > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > You can read the paper here: > > > > > > http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/?prof_id=mullain&type=paper > > > > > > The names were, pardon the expression, fairly lilly white. > > > > > > The authors did address many of the same concerns. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:55:06 -0500, Michael Dinowitz > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And what of other 'ethnic' names, regardless of color? What of > Jewish > > > > sounding, German sounding, Asian sounding, etc. Correlation does not > > > imply > > > > causation. Was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name as in the > 'blackness > > > of it > > > > or was it the 'non-whiteness' of the name across the board? Will a > > > > Shemaryahu (my youngest's name) be judged as 'black' because it's > > > obviously > > > > not white? Was this aspect even looked at? > > > > Just playing devil's advocate here. I did experimental psych, > statistics > > > and > > > > social psych. The devil is in the details as to what the results > > > actually > > > > mean and if something was missed. > > > > > > > > > The study itself just looked at "Black" vs "White" names for a > total > > > > > of 36 names all told. (black vs white, male vs female - as an > aside > > > > > the "female" resumes got significantly fewer callbacks as well). > > > > > > > > > > As for the discriminating, the study only sent the resumes in > response > > > > > to job ads placed by companies in the Boston or Chicago areas, so > > > > > those doing the discrimination were the hiring managers in real > > > > > companies > > > > > > > > > > What it means is that all things equal, these employers were more > > > > > likely to call back someone with a "white" name over a "black" > name, > > > > > even when the resumes were for all intents an purposes the same. > > > > > > > > > > Ergo it would appear that your hypothesis that AA is no longer > needed > > > > > is not tenable. > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:06:40 -0600, Gruss Gott > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It's unclear if we're supposed to kill thread, but, personally I > > > like > > > > > > it! Anyway, I know that says something, but I'm not sure it > proves > > > > > > anything. I'd toss out 3 questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) Who's doing the discriminating? Blacks or whites or other? > Man > > > or > > > > > woman? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) Does that really mean we need special program to force > employers > > > > > > to accept a quota of minorities, or does it mean we need a > program > > > to > > > > > > do this sort of study and ask the screeners why they didn't call > > > back > > > > > > the "black" names? Possibly with consequences attached to > specific > > > > > > findings? That is, is AA the right "solution" to the right > problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) Is this just for black names, but not for other minorities, > > > i.e., > > > > > > women, hispanics, Asians, etc.? Isn't a problem we have right > now > > > > > > that there are too many Americans not taking low paying jobs so > we > > > > > > have to import Mexicans that are more than willing to work (and > do)? > > > > > > That is, why do blacks have problems getting jobs, but Mexicans > seem > > > > > > to be taking too many? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:145665 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
