yes Larry, I know you have. I have read them. They don't say what you say they say is what I am saying. But we have already been through this --- remember? you, me and Sam -- and I don't think any of us is going to change our minds.
Dana On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:12:56 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dana, I've provided the refs several times. Terry Shaivo has been > diagnosed as fbeing in a Persistent Vegitative State, the BMS and AMA > have very specific prognosis - after 3-6 months (US) or 1 year > (england) the chances of recovering from this condition is nill. > Moreover any basic neuropsych book will describe PVS and changes to > the cortex that occur. I'm not going to give you any cites on this > since its such a basic finding. Terri Shaivo first went into a PVS > over 15 years ago with significant brain damage - its become much > worse since. There is no recovery from this. > > larry > > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:44:52 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So you keep saying. But the links you put up as evidence don't > > actually say that. They say that family members often have the best > > notion of what is going on. Actually. As for medical consensus. > > Medical consensus says I should probably be pulling a little cannister > > of oxygen around with me. After almost a year of heavy-duty allopathic > > medecine, let me tell you, it's the best doctors who are the least > > certain. > > > > Dana > > > > > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:45 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What chance? All that is Ms Shaivo was lost. What makes us, us is > > > mostly the cerebral cortex. According to court testimony and outside > > > interviews, the medical consensus is that this part of the brain has > > > mostly died off and atrophied with Ms. Shaivo. All that is left is the > > > lower functioning parts of the brain. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:15:07 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > exactly. And after going through the literature line by line with > > > > Larr, I still think she has a chance that nobody has let her try > > > > yet... > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:57:05 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dana wrote: > > > > > > nnnnoooo, I don't think so. I am simply trying to put myself in her > > > > > > place. > > > > > > > > > > Just curious, but what do you think her place is? At a minimum she's > > > > > massively brain damaged and whoever she was is most likely gone > > > > > forever. What's there today is just the empty container that used to > > > > > hold her. > > > > > > > > > > I guess we'd all hold out hope that if we were in her position some > > > > > new therapy would come along and restore us as if we'd been in a coma. > > > > > Sadly though, she's not in a coma so we have a good gauge of where > > > > > she's at. > > > > > > > > > > In all probability there's no therapy that could ever restore her if > > > > > the cells that held the "her" encoding have died. That means that Ms. > > > > > Schiavo passed away 15 years ago and the question today is what do we > > > > > do with this new person? > > > > > > > > > > From this perspective, oddly, Terri, although gone, still owns her > > > > > "container" which is actually a human. Were she here the law says > > > > > it's her decision on what's to be done with the container even though > > > > > it's a person. But because she's gone this decision falls onto her > > > > > husband. > > > > > > > > > > As bio-engineering becomes more advance and we start getting products > > > > > like new organs grown specifically for you, from you, these decisions > > > > > become verrrryyyy tricky. > > > > > > > > > > Back to reality though, if it were my wife, I'd keep her on life > > > > > support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:148803 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
