The general rule of thumb is 3. One can survive: 3 minutes without oxygen. 3 days without water. 3 weeks without food.
These are very broad statements; many factors could change these numbers quite drastically. For example, people have been known to survive 30 minutes without oxygen when combined with severe hypothermia. -------------- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ....-----Original Message----- ....From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ....Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:27 PM ....To: CF-Community ....Subject: Re: Terri Schiavo May Die Soon .... ....My question is - if the feeding tube has been removed, why isn't she ....dead yet? I thought it only took a few days. Oh wait, I suppose ....they're giving her IV fluids....it's a few days for fluids...longer ....for food. .... .... ....On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:18:08 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ....> yes Larry, I know you have. I have read them. They don't say what you ....> say they say is what I am saying. But we have already been through ....> this --- remember? you, me and Sam -- and I don't think any of us is ....> going to change our minds. ....> ....> Dana ....> ....> ....> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:12:56 -0500, Larry C. Lyons ....<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ....> > Dana, I've provided the refs several times. Terry Shaivo has been ....> > diagnosed as fbeing in a Persistent Vegitative State, the BMS and AMA ....> > have very specific prognosis - after 3-6 months (US) or 1 year ....> > (england) the chances of recovering from this condition is nill. ....> > Moreover any basic neuropsych book will describe PVS and changes to ....> > the cortex that occur. I'm not going to give you any cites on this ....> > since its such a basic finding. Terri Shaivo first went into a PVS ....> > over 15 years ago with significant brain damage - its become much ....> > worse since. There is no recovery from this. ....> > ....> > larry ....> > ....> > ....> > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:44:52 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ....wrote: ....> > > So you keep saying. But the links you put up as evidence don't ....> > > actually say that. They say that family members often have the best ....> > > notion of what is going on. Actually. As for medical consensus. ....> > > Medical consensus says I should probably be pulling a little ....cannister ....> > > of oxygen around with me. After almost a year of heavy-duty ....allopathic ....> > > medecine, let me tell you, it's the best doctors who are the least ....> > > certain. ....> > > ....> > > Dana ....> > > ....> > > ....> > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:45 -0500, Larry C. Lyons ....<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ....> > > > What chance? All that is Ms Shaivo was lost. What makes us, us is ....> > > > mostly the cerebral cortex. According to court testimony and ....outside ....> > > > interviews, the medical consensus is that this part of the brain ....has ....> > > > mostly died off and atrophied with Ms. Shaivo. All that is left ....is the ....> > > > lower functioning parts of the brain. ....> > > > ....> > > > larry ....> > > > ....> > > > ....> > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:15:07 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ....wrote: ....> > > > > exactly. And after going through the literature line by line ....with ....> > > > > Larr, I still think she has a chance that nobody has let her ....try ....> > > > > yet... ....> > > > > ....> > > > > Dana ....> > > > > ....> > > > > ....> > > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:57:05 -0600, Gruss Gott ....<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ....> > > > > > > Dana wrote: ....> > > > > > > nnnnoooo, I don't think so. I am simply trying to put ....myself in her ....> > > > > > > place. ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > Just curious, but what do you think her place is? At a ....minimum she's ....> > > > > > massively brain damaged and whoever she was is most likely ....gone ....> > > > > > forever. What's there today is just the empty container that ....used to ....> > > > > > hold her. ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > I guess we'd all hold out hope that if we were in her ....position some ....> > > > > > new therapy would come along and restore us as if we'd been ....in a coma. ....> > > > > > Sadly though, she's not in a coma so we have a good gauge of ....where ....> > > > > > she's at. ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > In all probability there's no therapy that could ever restore ....her if ....> > > > > > the cells that held the "her" encoding have died. That means ....that Ms. ....> > > > > > Schiavo passed away 15 years ago and the question today is ....what do we ....> > > > > > do with this new person? ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > From this perspective, oddly, Terri, although gone, still ....owns her ....> > > > > > "container" which is actually a human. Were she here the law ....says ....> > > > > > it's her decision on what's to be done with the container ....even though ....> > > > > > it's a person. But because she's gone this decision falls ....onto her ....> > > > > > husband. ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > As bio-engineering becomes more advance and we start getting ....products ....> > > > > > like new organs grown specifically for you, from you, these ....decisions ....> > > > > > become verrrryyyy tricky. ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > Back to reality though, if it were my wife, I'd keep her on ....life support. ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > ....> > > > > ....> > > > > ....> > > > ....> > > > ....> > > ....> > > ....> > ....> > ....> ....> .... .... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:148811 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
