I agree that this is a valid concern. However, this right is not
absolute, nor should it be. The fact that she is married does not
obviate her civil rights, my friend. If we had a signed piece of paper
saying that Micahel speaks for me if need be, we would not be having
this discussion. If she were able to speak for herself we would not
need to have this discussion.

What we have is a woman who can't speak for herself and a man acting
as her guardian who does not appear to be acting in her best interest,
as manifested by a failure to obtain basic diagnostic tests or
physical therapy. It richly deserves to be questioned.

To approach the question from another direction, I am guardian for two
children. In many respects what I say goes when it comes to their
health care. I can get their teeth cleaned, fail to get their teeth
cleaned, sign them in and out of hospitals and even have them
incarcerated. But if my actions do not appear to a reasonable person
to be promoting their best interests, I have to answer for that. I may
find myself no longer their guardian or incarcerated myself :)

I do understand what you are saying, I think. As a matter of fact I am
a major advocate of leaving families alone. But due to this case I
find myself needing to add, if they are functioning as a family
should. Why should this woman's parents have to go get affidavits from
33 doctors to say that she should be diagnosed according to best
medical practices? Shouldn't that be understood? Wouldn't you think?

In 99 cases out of a hundred a wife or husband would be the best
person to ask about a person's thinking about end of life issues. I
still think this may the hundredth. I'd love to find out that this is
not the case, because I don't find this case to be comfortable. I am
agreeing with Ann Coulter and the Cato Institute for crying out loud
:) I'm getting emails suggesting I am a luddite or an embittered
man-hating conspiracy theorist.

But when I ask people who have these definite opinions about how
hopeless her case is direct questions about exactly how they know this
it all fades off to mumbles. It's just something that everyone knows,
like everyone knows that Saddam Hussein is responsible for 9/11 and Al
Gore didn't help create the internet. And what can I say, I try not to
subscribe to that sort of urban myth. Sorry. Now if you have some real
evidence to show me, I am all ears.

Dana

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:10:35 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > So, issue #1. When does it become a crime to give a woman with brain
> > damage something to drink? And most of all, *why*?
> >
> 
> To me here's the key fact: she's married!  So the primary question is,
> when a married spouse cannot speak for his/herself who should?
> 
> You seem to be arguing that outsiders, should they disagree with the
> spouse's decision, should be able to override that decision.  What
> that really means is that there are no marital rights - you're
> advocating some type of state mandated decison body.
> 
> So, who in the state?  Senators?  Judges?  An agency?
> 
> Those are the questions.  Either we say the spouse has the final say
> or we don't.
> 
> I would agree that we need to make sure the spouse is of sound mind,
> but if that's determined to be true, then what?  Do you still advocate
> revocation of rights if the decisions don't mesh with yours?
> 
> 

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