yes, the minutemen are all up in arms about this; I am rather amused
that it is being opposed from the right. But they have a point, you
know. If you want to increase boder security, hire some more bodies
down here.

I dislike the idea of a national ID -- France has one, and the police
are allowed to randomly stop you on the street and demand it -- but it
is not this concept in se that I disagree with as much as this
particular implementation.

Dana

On 5/10/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does the Real ID act contain a Constitution-busting Trojan horse?
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050509-4886.html
> 
> "You can read more on the tinfoil hat implications of this here if
> you're interested, but I'll sum it up for you: Congress has crafted a
> completely unprecedented provision that guts the principle of judicial
> review by granting the DHS secretary complete and total immunity from
> the courts when it comes to the construction of "barriers and roads"
> in this one specific geographical region, and they've buried this
> provision inside a national ID card act which is itself attached to a
> large military appropriations bill that no Congressperson in their
> right mind would vote against (money for the troops and all that)."
> 
> I'm actually fine with a national ID in principle. What I don't like
> it all the legal loopholes and privacy tracking issues that this
> specific proposed ID system includes.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> On 5/9/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > and just think, it's only been a year or so since I was called a
> > Luddite for worrying about this. No applications outside of
> > manufacturing, I was told. Right here in River City.
> >
> > Dana
> >
> > On 5/9/05, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Yeah but...yeah but..how did we reach arguing about NAMBLA and the KKK
> > > and Boy Scouts...from a National RFID ID card..
> > >
> > > It..it just seems so wrong for those three things to be in the same 
> > > line...and..
> > > and it started like such an innocent little thread.
> > >
> > > ((0_0))
> > >
> > > *sits in corner and trembles*
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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