> Ben Doom wrote:
> > True.  However, I should point out that the growing trend is for kids to
> > get type II diabetes (which used to be known as adult onset), not type I
> > (juvenile diabetes), which is by far the more serious of the two.
> >
> > Type II can typically be treated by diet, excersize, occasionally oral
> > medication, and (worst case) insulin.  However, for these kids, just
> > dropping weight almost always is the cure.  Type I means you'll be
> > taking insulin from now 'till eternity.

There's a lot of interesting and controversial research coming out - SciAm
just did a nice overview of the arguments raging about the health effects of
obesity.  Since I just read the article it reminded me of this thread.

For example while most people "know" that being fat causes diabetes the CDC
studies show that while the incidence of obesity grew sharply in the 1990's
the incidence of diabetes didn't.

Also studies of morbidly obese kids show no predilection to diabetes.

Even among adults there's interesting findings.

One trail found that regardless of diet or weight regular exercise (walking
2.5 hours per week for example) reduces the risk of diabetes by up to 69%.

Nobody's saying that massive weight gain is good (although, as an aside,
being underweight poses a much more severe health risk that being
overweight).  There are other health risks (even if only "mechanical" risks
like muscle ache) and definite social ramifications.

But the ingrained notion that "fat" is the root cause of all these ills is
being challenged.  At a simple level, for example, we're finally asking:
does being overweight cause diabetes or does having diabetes cause weight
gain?

Jim Davis

P.S. I'm a big fat bastard.  I'm 320ish lbs.  I'm not suggesting in any way
that I should stop trying to lose weight.  But it is rather frustrating when
I go to the doctor.

I have good cholesterol, only slightly high blood pressure (everybody in my
family, thick or thin, has high blood pressure), good muscle mass, and
explain how I bike everywhere, walk everywhere else and am trying to eat
better.

However the doctor looks at my high, looks at my weight, runs his little BMI
calc (which just take muscle mass into account) and tells me I'm too fat and
I have to lose weight.  All complaints or concerns I might have come back to
that as the only possible "cause".




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