> -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:32 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Fat is Bad (was RE: pretty cool gadget) > > I was under the impression (note that it's just an impression, and I > totally could be wrong) that the studies only looked at type I diabetes. > So, um, am I wrong about that?
The studies I mentioned were all looking at Type II diabetes. > > Even among adults there's interesting findings. > > > > One trail found that regardless of diet or weight regular exercise > (walking > > 2.5 hours per week for example) reduces the risk of diabetes by up to > 69%. > > Hmm. I know that excercise can actually allow cells to absorb a small > abount of glucose without insulin. I wonder if that has anything to do > with it. We'll need more trials, but it's possible. Two of the commonly referenced studies show a decreased incident of Type II diabetes after participants dieted, exercised and lost weight. Many groups use these trails as talking points "proving" that obesity causes diabetes. However the trails didn't feature a control group of any kind that, for example, just exercised more but didn't lose weight. In other words they changed several variables but use the results to single out one as the only cause. > > Nobody's saying that massive weight gain is good (although, as an aside, > > being underweight poses a much more severe health risk that being > > overweight). There are other health risks (even if only "mechanical" > risks > > like muscle ache) and definite social ramifications. > > Oh, I know all about the health problems of being underweight. I'm > almost 6' and bottomed out at about 115lbs. I currently weigh just > under 130 (and am gaining slowly). I've been the chunky kid and the > skeleton both, and both have social ramifications. :-( Well, from my position, I wouldn't mind trying the skeleton on for size just once... I've generally been heavy but I've been slowly gaining for the past decade or so (the perils of a desk job and a complacent life). > > But the ingrained notion that "fat" is the root cause of all these ills > is > > being challenged. At a simple level, for example, we're finally asking: > > does being overweight cause diabetes or does having diabetes cause > weight > > gain? > > As far as weight gain as a symptom goes, everything I've ever heard says > that running a high blood sugar level (regardless of whether you are > getting enough glucose into cells to keep them going) causes weight > loss. So I'd say (though I can't really back it up with studies or > anything) that weight gain is a cause, not a symptom. It's probably too simple to consider either a "cause" or "effect". It may be that there is a complex relationship where they are _both_ at different points in the progression and it's clear that additional factors (like activity-level) may play a much larger role in and of themselves. Jim Davis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:159634 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
