Loathe, What did you do in the Army? I haven't heard anyone mention counter mortar radar since I left the Marines 17 years ago. I was FDC for towed 155mm Nuclear Capable howitzers.
FDC (Fire Direction Control): a forward observer (someone closer to the enemy than I was) would call in the coordinates of a target. The FDC team would calculate the location of the howitzers (canons) and the location of the enemy target and determine what kind of round (several kinds of projectiles that can be shot through a howitzer, the arsenal my unit had at its disposal included Nukes) how to aim the canons, and how much gun powder it would take to get the round to the target. We would then call all that information down to the gun line and send the rounds down range. -----Original Message----- From: loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:09 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: speaking of > > That's not what US Special Forces in Afghanistan said. They said they > > troop strength was reduced by 90% and they lost equipment support. > > Are you passing around crap you heard in the bar as facts or do you > actually have a source this time:) > Do they need to be at the same levels they were at before the > Taliban fell? Tell me I don't know what I am talking about Sam!! Tell me about losing people, for what? In non-armored humvees. Tell me why that largest air base in Afghanistan doesn't have a counter battery radar to respond to indirect fire, after you look up what that means. > > > 2.) It erodes world support for America (except for Russia). > > > I don't agree. > > > > Ok, but anyone that's actually studied the matter agrees with me. > > By studying do you really mean, "Believe the biased Pew polls"? Have you traveled internationally in the last few years? I have, and not only for the Army, but going to Europe for the State Dept. Ask an Italian off the street what they think of our policies sometime. > > > 3.) It creates a test bed for techniques and weapons. > > > Doesn't every war? The difference is the terrorists are dying in this > > > training camp. > > > > Yes, the dumb ones die, are replaced by 2 more and the smart ones pass > > along the technology to Bin Laden. > > Are you saying that in war only the dumb ones die? That's an extremely > obnoxious thing to say and I hope you apologize for it. It's called lessons learned. Your force learns TTPs (Tactics, Techniques and Procedures). You get better and better at what you're doing. > > > > > > 4.) It creates a terrorist recruiting dream: find the good attackers > > > and take them global. > > > Huh? > > > > You throw a buch of guys into Bahgdad and some real leaders will > > emerge. They'll be clever, motivated, well-trained, and battle > > experienced. Now they're ready for the big leagues - attacking > > America. > > Isn't that what every war does? Are you saying what they learn in > Baghdad will help them with terrorist attacks against the US? > Different battles and battlefields. Really? It's the same people doing the same sort of security operations. State, CIA, FBI, HS, all these different federal agencies running force protection ops around the world, all running from the same play book. You don't think they might notice a pattern in there somewhere? > > > 6.) It demoralizes Americans. > > > Only people like you do that. > > > > Wonderful! The Vietnam disease of shooting the messenger. > > We would have won Kennedy's Vietnam War if it weren't for Fonda, Kerry > and people like you. Or we could have pushed the soviets into a corner and caused WW 3. You can't back up a statement like that. > > > 8.) It creates a false sense for security for people that buy the > > > "fight them there" propaganda. > > > As opposed to the real security of just sitting around and waiting? > > > > No. As opposed to using our full military effort to attack the people > > that attacked us - Al qaeda. You might as well dig a ditch as invade > > Iraq. They are both equally effective at dismantling Al Qaeda. > > If you only look for Bin Laden you will miss all the other terrorists. > Al Qeada is in Iraq, they had connections to Iraq and Iraq was a safe > haven for the terrorists. What about Indonesia? What about the Philippines? What about the Sudan, Afghanistan, Saudi, Egypt, Yemen? Are we going to invade everyone? Tim B co 3-116th Infantry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:162627 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
