Local and state are fine Larry. I am only talking about the federal government.
The states are not supposed to be identical. They were set up to allow for different political systems within the states, banding together only for common defense and economy. California and New York would have all the social programs you desire. Other states would be the stripped down governments that I prefer. That was the structure that allowed us to become a world power so quickly. Different people with different ideas could band together and live as they chose, work as they chose and worship as they chose. It fostered individualism, and entrepreneurial spirit. Today's environment crushes the entrepreneur and the individual alike. You talk about the poor as though you care for them, yet tell them that a certain amount of their money must be spent to provide for the 'common good', taking away what they can provide for themselves and their families. You force people to pay into social security, to provide for a persons retirement that wasn't smart or able enough to provide for their own. You make it sound as though before the US went socialist (say 20's or 30's NRA era), their were no opt in social groups helping the poor. There were, but it was by choice, and the amount of time and money you put in was up to you. I was recently involved in a 'free borders' discussion where some ignorant fool was talking about how we shouldn't allow any new immigration, how they were sapping our economy and the like. Well in some states he is partially right. However look at the huge Irish and Italian immigration numbers over the last two hundred years and look where those two races are today. Tell me again how people cannot lift themselves out of poverty without big brother lifting them from the gutter Larry. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:25 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of) > > > No people are not dying in the streets because of government public > health programs, that were instituted at the local, state and national > level. Moreover there is minimal health care for the poor. > > Under your system there will be no subsidies for research, or for > clinical trials etc. You think prescription drugs are expensive now, > just wait until your minimalist system is instituted. > > Speaking of public health, how about restaurants. In this area there's > a fairly good government inspection system for restaurants, yet on a > regular basis places are closed down for health code violations. With > that health code inspection system closed down under your minimalist > system eating out will become a whole new adventure. > > larry > > On 7/7/05, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Military and police would be about the only things left in governments > > hands. > > > > Medicine has nothing to do with government, we don't have socialized > > medicine now, and the poor aren't dying in the streets of disease. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:54 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of) > > > > > > So privatize police and military, the wealthy can afford protection > > while the poor can't? Descend into rampant villiany preying on the > > middle and lower classes? No affordable medicines and the working > > class becomes decimated by disease? Etc, etc, etc. > > > > The basic idea is laudable but not so simple. I agree that we have too > > much, but what to cut becomes a morass. > > > > -Kevin > > > > On 7/7/05, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tariff based trade, with a minimalist government would work. > Levy tariffs > > > against imports and exports, change all roads to toll roads. > Switch to a > > > 'service based' model, where you pay for what you use. > > > > > > By minimalist government you have to realize that I mean like > 80% of our > > > government just gone. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:163585 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
