Far better to grab the keys and passwords that to force decrypt packets,
heh heh.

>From what I'd heard a lot of ISP's had baulked at installing Carnivore
until 9/11 after which time, I could have sworn I read somewhere, that
legislation was pushed through mandating the installation?

-----Original Message-----
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:46
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work


>From what I've heard - the software already exists.  And, get this, it's
like a virus.  It basically infects your computer so that the FBI can
begin monitorig your activity without physically touching your computer!

Howie

----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: Two points and then back to work


> First off, I wanted to say that I find it rather interesting.  We're 
> all debating the politics of the attacks, agreements with Canada (of 
> which a search on CNN returns absolutely 0 results aside from a report

> on the 24th of Sept. saying that no changes to Canada's immigration 
> policies would happen), and so forth, but no one has brought up 
> Carnivore.  To start another baseless debate, I heard rumor that 
> shortly after all this started the FBI or Justice Department had 
> started trying to work it into some major ISP's and campus networks.
>
> Then a story emerged today on Yahoo news: 
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20011205/tc/warning_we_know_what_you_r
> e_typi
> ng_and_so_does_the_fbi__1.html (watch for the wrap on the URL)  The
FBI is
> talking about building an invisible keystroke logger with the intent
of
> targeting computers that might be used by terrorists.
>
> .. now *that* scares me.  Someone please call Mr. Orwell and tell him 
> to put Big Brother back in the cage please.
>
> Hatton
>
>
> 

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