oh for gods sake, i was talking generally, not specifically referring to you. and i'm not arguing about who insulted who and who didn't.
will -----Original Message----- From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 December 2001 18:36 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( I didn't ATTACK anyone, I defended myself. > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:32 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > come on people....lets calm down and stop attacking people personally. I > think this discussion seems to have degenerated into an insult hurling > contest. > > will > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 December 2001 18:27 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > If you have not stated yourself clearly (notice i even looked up the word > manufactured to make sure I didn't misinterpret what it meant) that > doesn't > mean I "twisted your words", it means you were unable to communicate > effectively. Quite frankly, it appears to be a pattern for you to blame > others for your own issues. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Benjamin Falloon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:15 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > Just a quick note Beth... > > My posts yesterday have arrived at radical different time from when they > > where from composed(anyone else having this problem?), so a lot of stuff > > would now be out of context. > > > > I want to square things with you Beth. > > You're entitled to have an opinion on my posts just as I on yours, but > > words > > do not necessarily have a 'fixed' meaning (absolutely literal) as you > may > > have interpret them. I don't want to digress too much into the "you said > > this, I said that" etc etc form of conflict. Better to just leave the > > topic > > alone and move on. > > > > Would you agree? > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:03 AM > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > No Bejamin, you said something and now say that it isnt' what you said > > or > > > meant. I didn't twist anything - > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:24 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > You're good hate me for this :-) > > > > As Charles Bukowski said "[America is] not a free country -- > > everything > > is > > > > bought and sold and owned." > > > > > > > > You'd rather over-simplify, misinterpret and generally twist my > words > > to > > > > suit your own confortable assumes then engage the debate. > > > > There are people on this board that respond to my posts with > > intellegent > > > > debate. You're welcome to join it, but what is really the point of > > your > > > > last > > > > post? I mean really, what is your point? > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:12 AM > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I said if you hated our country, there are other countries you > > are > > > > > welcome to live in. You can stay - we ARE a free country, you are > > > > welcome > > > > > to stay and hate it. I just wonder what alternatives you find > > > > preferable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:37 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether Howard meant to do this intentionally or not, this is a > > common > > > > > > tool > > > > > > in American media (on both sides), maybe in others. "Boiling it > > down" > > > > can > > > > > > oversimplify complex issues and make them seem out of context. > > Watch > > > > Bill > > > > > > O'Reilly, he is a master at this. It is a common tool. We are > > > > increasingly > > > > > > being taught to NOT be skeptical of our leaders and their > agendas > > or > > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > afraid to question their actions for fear of a personal attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been attacked in here for my same views. This type of > > attack > > > > was > > > > > > used > > > > > > by McCarthy and Reagan. "If you don't agree with us, you must > not > > be > > > > with > > > > > > us > > > > > > and you must agree with the other side." It is happening in the > > news > > > > and > > > > > > in > > > > > > politics everyday in America. It happens in this group. Don't > > support > > > > the > > > > > > war? You must be anti-American (re: Beth saying I should leave > > America > > > > > > because I exercise the very rights I and others have served in > the > > > > armed > > > > > > forces to protect). Think maybe the way America has exploited > > other > > > > > > countries and pissed some people off? You must be un-American. > > Think > > > > the > > > > > > Attorney General is a right-wing, neo-Nazi sympathizer (see his > > past > > > > > > writings and remarks)? Think these new tribunals and anti-terror > > > > > > legislation > > > > > > are knee-jerk? You must be anti-American. "Get with the program > > > > soldier" > > > > > > ("FMJ"). Who's side are you on? Etc. Etc. No real effort is made > > to > > > > > > understand the other side of the argument, just attack the > arguer > > (ad > > > > > > hominem). > > > > > > > > > > > > What has the War In Afghanistan (America's Next War, ad > > infinitum)... > > > > done > > > > > > so far? We really don't know. Sure, there are some women without > > > > > > birquas(sp) > > > > > > on. And some men have shaved beards. But have we actually > stopped > > > > > > terrorism > > > > > > at all? Have we helped unleash a civil war? Laid the ground for > > one? > > > > After > > > > > > the attacks in Israel, I would say no. In a year or two, when > the > > > > > > political > > > > > > capital of Afghanistan has been spent and we realize what the > war > > is > > > > > > costing, people will go back to watching "news" of OJ or endless > > talk > > > > > > about > > > > > > some other trivial subject (Condit comes to mind or sports). I > > think > > > > there > > > > > > are more sports channels than "news" channels. Feed the > > distractions. > > > > > > Opium > > > > > > for the masses. Cheap to make and people will pay a fortune for > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW - I have heard zero on the news about the cost, and I am > > talking > > > > the > > > > > > nightly or daily news, not some obscure web source I have to > track > > > > down, > > > > I > > > > > > am talking what most Americans will see. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I am tired. Good night. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:04 AM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you feel the need to "boil down" my statements? I don't > > > > > > > doubt it was > > > > > > > an honest attempt on your part, but why is it nessasary? In > your > > > > case > > > > it > > > > > > > seems your 'honest' attempt at boiling down my statements was > > > > intended > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your then to manipulate my statements to gain support from > other > > > > > > > members on > > > > > > > this board and discredit my original intentions. In short, to > > put > > > > words > > > > > > in > > > > > > > my mouth. Nothing in my posts are indicated my > > agreeing/condoning > > > > the > > > > > > > taliban, yet you sarcasically impied this with your post along > > > > > > > with labeling > > > > > > > my words "liberal mantra". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see a distinct difference between news and truth or > 'reality'. > > > > > > > If you take > > > > > > > one of my previous metaphors, truth (the ingrediant) is sugar, > > but > > > > coke > > > > > > > (corporate news) is not sugar, it may be based on sugar, but > > there > > > > is > > > > > > > nothing natural or real about it. It's a consumable commodity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my objection put simply. I do condone the sterotyping > of > > > > > > > Palastinians into "American hating terrorists" by people who > use > > > > > > > the 'street > > > > > > > celebration' footage as an example. This is a gross > > generalisation > > > > > > > equivelent to called all americans "fat fast food addicted > > ignorant > > > > > > > war-loving facists". Neither of these two description are fair > > and > > > > > > > demonstrate radical ignorance. The corporate news is in part > > > > > > > responsible for > > > > > > > this ignorance. This is my objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:52 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that you want to turn an honest attempt to boil > > down > > > > your > > > > > > > > statements to their most basic terms (and give you a chance > > to > > > > > > respond > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > correct any misunderstanding) as an attack. I wasn't > attacking > > > > > > > you. I was > > > > > > > > attacking the idea that we shouldn't draw conclusion when > > > > > > > presented with, > > > > > > > > what even you described as factual, news accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see you trying to play both sides of the fence -- the news > > is > > > > > > biased, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it's factual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't have it both ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a journalist, I also take offense at your narrow-sighted, > > > > > > uninformed > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > of how a news operation works. It's the old thing -- people > > who > > > > don't > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to hear the truth blame the messenger. And then deride any > one > > who > > > > > > says, > > > > > > > > "Hey, maybe it's not the messenger's fault." It's a very > > > > convenient > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > to be in -- you can cast aspersions all around without ever > > being > > > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > > position to honestly face your own biases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:28 PM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You read into my words through your own stereotypical view > of > > > > > > > non-mainstream > > > > > > > > thinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My original post concerned the discussion surrounding the so > > > > called > > > > > > > > 'celebrating Palastinians'. My critisism was limited to a > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > concerning oppinions on this footage. Having said that, I > > don't > > > > > > welcome > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > putting words in my mouth concerning my position on the > > Taliban > > > > > > > and their > > > > > > > > oppressive regime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've attempted to discredit my criticism of corporate > owned > > > > media > > > > by > > > > > > > > insinuating that I support the Taliban because I mistrust > the > > > > news. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > conclusions are weak. You can label my words as "liberal > > mantra" > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > wish, but in my oppinion this does your position no credit > as > > it > > > > > > > > implies > > > > > > > > you're more interested in labels and stereotypes then a > > > > > > > discussion of any > > > > > > > > real depth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep watching television Howard. It appears to do you a lot > of > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:17 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to misstate what you're saying, but let me > boil > > > > down > > > > > > for > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > what I hear you saying: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) The news may be factually correct, though the nuance > may > > be > > > > off > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > of entertainment values -- therefore, the "real" news is > > some > > > > how > > > > > > > > obscured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Because the "news" has been remanufactured to a degree, > > > > > > > and no longer > > > > > > > > > reflects the raw, unvarnished truth, it is offensive to > base > > any > > > > > > > > conclusions > > > > > > > > > this "newstainment." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I understanding you correctly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, we should not condemn the Taliban for beating, > > > > stoning > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > murdering women because, by golly, we learned about it on > a > > > > > > > network news > > > > > > > > > show. And it was edited. And who knows what was left out. > A > > > > Taliban > > > > > > > denial > > > > > > > > > maybe? Or possibly a Taliban apology ("We didn't mean to > > stone > > > > those > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > to death -- the rock just slipped. Sorry.") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that really what you're saying. I mean, because that's > > what > > I > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > saying. And I find it pretty offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the facts are correct, it matters little how they are > > > > > > > delivered. And > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > amount of political correctness (in this case, the liberal > > > > > > > mantra of we > > > > > > > > > shouldn't criticize other "cultures") can possibly justify > > what > > > > the > > > > > > > > Taliban > > > > > > > > > has done to women and dissenters within Afghanistan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:18 PM > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not certain how you arrived at such an exaggerated > > > > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > original post. But allow me at least the oppertunity to > > expand > > > > my > > > > > > > > perspetive > > > > > > > > > before you sarcastically attack my posts once more, even > > though > > > > the > > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > > > post was not even address to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I may have refered to television (and this can be > broadened > > to > > > > any > > > > > > > > > corporately own/operated news service) as manufactured, > but > > I > > > > > > > did not in > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > way insinuate that the 'stories' were myth. News services > > > > (mostly) > > > > > > > deliver > > > > > > > > > their content in a highly constructed way. News is like > coka > > > > > > > cola; coke > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > based on sugar, a 'real world' ingredient, just as the > > > > "oppression > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > afghanistan women" may too be 'real world', but the end > > > > > > > result delivered > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the news services is nothing 'natural'... it is a > > manufacured > > > > > > > construct > > > > > > > > > intentionally mixed to produce the desired effect. This is > > how > > I > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > corporate news services. Most of what is aired looks no > > > > > > > different from, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > indeed reflects the kind of news approach highlighted by > the > > > > > > nineties > > > > > > > film > > > > > > > > > "Wag the Dog". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Images are carefully selected, edited and cut with emotive > > music > > > > and > > > > > > > > > commentry designed to promote a certain perspective. > Exactly > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > perspective/interests/politics represented are beyond the > > > > > > > reach of this > > > > > > > > > discussion, but the net effect of these kinds of > > presentations > > > > are > > > > > > not > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > all dissimilar to those effects achieved by the > > entertainment > > > > > > industry > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > News is entertainment/entertainment is news. I find making > > > > > > judgements > > > > > > > upon > > > > > > > > > other peoples/cultures etc based on this kind of > information > > > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall a previous post by Gary that brought up the lack > on > > > > true > > > > > > > > > investigative reporting in the main stream news. My > oppinion > > > > > > > on the news > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > an extension of this logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did you hear it! The oppression of afghanistan women is > a > > > > > > > myth, made > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > the media. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin, I heard about the plight of afghani women > > several > > > > > > > years ago > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > an afghan woman came to speak at a university. Did she > > make > > > > it > > > > up > > > > > > > too? > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > she in on the big media conspiracy? Were the stories > she > > told > > > > of > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > > > being killed for walking down the street with a man whom > > > > > > > they weren't > > > > > > > > > > married to made up too? Were the stories of female > lawyers > > > > > > > and doctors > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > up too? And she left afghanistan not because she was > no > > > > longer > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > practice law there, but just to spread these lies about > > the > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > taliban rule? All those underground schools to teach > > girls > > > > dont' > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > > > right - because under the taliban rule girls WERE > allowed > > to > > > > go > > > > to > > > > > > > > school? > > > > > > > > > > And all this information I received prior to 9/11 - it > was > > > > > > > made up for > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > REASON? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, all the people in afghanistan listening to music > > again, > > > > > > shaving > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > beards, taking off their masks, they weren't really > > > > > > > oppressed its just > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > media invention, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The western media is at best, extrodinatily limited in > > it's > > > > > > > > > representation > > > > > > > > > > > of 'real people' in the middle east (or media east as > > it's > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > us). > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, it's representation is more often > designed > > to > > > > > > promote > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > > of discussion by manufacture of 'stories' (one of > these > > > > being > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > celebrating Palistinians, another being the oppression > > of > > > > women > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Aphganistan for example). These stories are the > > developed > > > > and > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > > referencial, repeated over and over by all media > outlets > > > > > > > until they > > > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > the measure of oppinion polls on presidencial > > popularity. > > > > There > > > > > > > > simplify > > > > > > > > > > > polarize and synthasize politics and culture for the > > fast > > > > food > > > > > > > culture > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > is America. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There were a LOT more than 1 woman and 5 kids. > > There > > > > were > > > > > > PA > > > > > > > > police > > > > > > > > > > > > taking camera's away from reporters to avoid the > news > > from > > > > it. > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > letters of protest from the AP and Reuters over it. > I > > > > > > > know people > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > > > > in Israel and have first hand reports as do many > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The rumor that it was old footage was debunked. > It > > > > > > > started with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > student in Argentina and spread. It was real > footage. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I don't condemn any Palestinian for the actions > of > > some > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > > > > people who take pride and happiness in the suffering > > of > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As or your second quesion... > > > > > > > > > > > > >First, that clip of a women dancing and five kids > > > > > > > > > > > > >clapping there hands, I wouldnt realy know how that > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > >considred 'my people', last time i checked, the > > > > > > > > > > > > >Palestinian population was not reprented by a women > > > > > > > > > > > > >and 5 kids, and yes, a car passing by blowings its > > > > > > > > > > > > >horn...Second, CNN, which first aired the clip, was > > > > > > > > > > > > >and still is accused of airing an old clip which > was > > > > > > > > > > > > >taking during the Iraq war, except , sadly, no > media > > > > > > > > > > > > >outlet would ever let the story run, nor deny or > > > > > > > > > > > > >confirm the reports.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Now i dont know if that is right or wrong, I do > > > > > > > > > > > > >believe that YES, its very possible that there does > > > > > > > > > > > > >exist a palestinian women who danced in the > streets, > > > > > > > > > > > > >and its so re-assuring that a camera somehow found > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > >dancing and aired her image, two hours after the > > > > > > > > > > > > >incident.....I would think there would be more > > > > > > > > > > > > >pressing issues at that time,but i guess a > > Palestinian > > > > > > > > > > > > >women supposedly dancing in the streets of > > > > > > > > > > > > >Palestine,is more important than the those tens and > > > > > > > > > > > > >thousands of casualties and the chaos that was > > > > > > > > > > > > >happening here.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I guess the Palestinians where just about to get > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > >independence and your blessings, and this women > came > > > > > > > > > > > > >and screwed everything up for us!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, the women was kinda a heavy set, so i wouldnt > > > > > > > > > > > > >realy call it "Jumping up for Joy", the poor old > lady > > > > > > > > > > > > >could barely walk, but she was eating sweets, which > > > > > > > > > > > > >does probably translate to her as jumping up for > > > > > > > > > > > > >joy!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your ad could be here. 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