I don't think I agree. Sometimes you need a law. If civil rights legislation 
had not passed, I do not think that much would have changed in the South. As 
it is, not everything that needs to change has, but at least some progress 
has been made.
 Dana

 On 9/9/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> So you see it as all or nothing. I can respect that. I was thinking
> more of wining one battle at a time. I don't think letting gays use
> the term marriage will change culture, not yet at least. It's as if
> you want to use the law to force cultural to accept them, only time
> will.
> 
> On 9/9/05, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> > Use of a separate term (civil union or otherwise) makes it much easier
> > for those on the anti-side to ensure that things are not equal as long
> > as they possibly can... Sure, you can choose to accept the alternate
> > term and fight for the term to be treated equally, but it will take a
> > LOT longer to accomplish that way because once an alternate term is
> > accepted then everyone has an immediate weapon (word) to use against
> > civil-union holders in any case where a marriage would afford them
> > those rights. Hence the same result as "separate but equal". It's an
> > uphill battle either way. As long as we're going uphill, how about we
> > chose a hill with a few less obstructions?
> >
> 
> 

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