Personally, I see the flag as representing the ideas behind America and 
its government as designed and structured, if that makes sense.  That 
is, I respect and love our nation and gov't, if not the current leaders 
or changes to it.  I'm a little wary of the phrase "American values" 
because (and this is my own knee-jerk reaction) it smacks of Family 
Values and Christain Morality and other things I think the government 
should stay the hell away from.

So, no, I'm not pledging allegiance to W and his cronies.  I'm pledging 
it to the ideas that mean we can choose those who represent and govern 
us, even if we occasionally really botch the decision.  Twice.

--Ben

Gruss Gott wrote:
>>Brian wrote: 
>>"Breaking News: Federal Judge delcares it unconstitutional to recite pledge
> 
> 
> Does anyone else find it odd to be pledging allegiance?
> 
> I suppose we can draw a line between American government and American
> values, but that's a fuzzy line.  So do we say the flag represents
> American values, American Gov't, or Americans?
> 
> If it represents the gov't then I'm not pledging allegiance because
> we're governed by morons (yes, both parties).
> 
> In the end, though, I only really have allegiance to my family.
> 
> 

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