> Ike wrote:
> Gruss, I think it's a rediculous assertion to say that only physical 
> limitations would prevent
> someone from rising above the poverty line. I've met a good number of people 
> who,
> although they haven't been legally diagnosed as being mentally retarded simply
> don't have what I would consider to be the intellectual facility to excel 
> beyond
> the minimum wage by means other than hapenstance.

Could those people work hard and loyally as custodians, hospital
orderlies, or on a city crew?  All of those jobs don't take much
mental capacity and pay well over the minimum wage.  How about opening
up a hot dog stand?  Or detailing cars?  Or working construction?

It's seems like there's plenty of jobs for people like that and, if
there weren't, we wouldn't have a Mexican immigration problem.  The
Mexicans take jobs Americans don't want like cleaning hotels, roofing,
car wash, and on and on.  So I remain unconvinced you're correct.

Further my point is not to discuss the problem but the solution
whatever the percentage is (I was just curious as to what people's
experience was).  I'm suggesting the solution is not minimum wage or
welfare, but education.  Most high school graduates ARE NOT AWARE that
car and home loans cost you more than the asset's price.  That's a
massive failure.

Then there's the process of getting people from high school into the
work force.  Right now that path is through college but we need to
short circuit that.

I'm not saying that all poor people are lazy, I'm suggesting some
might be and wondering what the group consensus on the percentage is. 
Overall, though, what's the solution to poverty?  I don't throwing
money at it via a minimum wage is it.  That's just a failure of
creativity.

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