Alright Gary, the gloves come off. How dare you question me...ME!!!!
;-)
I actually like Newt. I really think that he got unfairly ripped apart
by the media (which I have my ideas about, but we both know how THAT
would go ;-). I've heard him speak and I think he's got a some really
great ideas. He did have his personal battles (the divorce) which
disappointed me, but I think that the good outweighs the bad. <puts back
on old plastic Bears helmet and awaits muffin volley> In his defense on
that issue, he never took his positions based on a higher moral ground
like an Alan Keyes, but from a more logical perspective.
As for the right wingers taking over the party, that has been
disappointing. I don't think that they've necessarily taken over, but
there is huge support from the Christian right who turn out on election
day in droves and politicians are aware of that and cater to that. I
hope that it will turn back around. The democrats were once
conservative and have made a drastic shift to the left. I've read a few
of JFK's speeches and they were very conservative in nature. My father
has told me that he voted democrat until the 70's when he switched over
to republicans when the party (dem) went left.
The whole right wing/conservative ideologies kind of blurring together I
chalk up to the media. They hold up 'right wingers' as being the voice
of the conservative movement and I think that it's deliberate. They
lumped Newt in with these clowns when the conservatives took control of
congress back in '94 and I always thought it to be disingenuous.
Conservatives are painted as being racist, hating the homeless, wanting
to destroy the environment, sexist, homophobic, etc. and it just simply
isn't true. But people actually believe that though and it really
bothers me.
I really like Rush Limbaugh and I like his brother David even more. I
read Bill Buckley's column as often as I can. I also read Walter
Williams, Michael Kelly, Alan Keyes, Bob, Novak, Peggy Noonan, and Chris
Matthews (although he is not a conservative, but I like his take on
things) on a regular basis. I think that these people best represent
conservatism. Not the Cal Thomas', Sean Hannity's, etc. I like
Hannity, but he gets a little too vile for me. I also really admire VP
Cheney.
Someone call 911, I think Gary's having a heart attack!! :-)
Michael Corrigan
Programmer
Endora Digital Solutions
www.endoradigital.com
630/942-5211 x-134
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
To: CF-Community
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: Ouch
Note for Beth - this is a general reply, following the thread, not an
'attack' on someone, especially Michael.
Note 2 for Beth - this is the last time I type this warning. People
will
just have to be confused and angry with me in the future if it is not
clear.
;)
I agree. Which leads me to the question, How did conservatives let the
right
wingers usurp the party? This has been going on since the Moral
Majority
days of 30 years ago. Ralph Reed stayed in power for years and years.
People
like Gingrich ("Mr. Integrity") were easily voted into office.
Are there conservatives anymore? How has the right shifted so far to
the
right, like right of right?
Homer: "That team sure sucked Moe. I've seen some teams that suck, but
that
team was the suckiest team that ever sucked". (Paraphrased).
-Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:33 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Ouch
>
>
> Well said!!
>
> Michael Corrigan
> Programmer
> Endora Digital Solutions
> www.endoradigital.com
> 630/942-5211 x-134
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Ouch
>
>
> Correction, a leading light of the right-wing movement.
>
> There's a world of difference between right-wingers and
conservatives.
>
> H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:55 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Ouch
>
>
> During the election six years ago Virginia had the misfortune of
> having
> Oliver North run against the incumbent. Watching North out and out
lie
> about
> what happened, and also lie about having been convicted was very
> revealing.
> and he is considered to be one of the leading lights of the
> conservative
> movement.
>
> larry
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:52 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Ouch
> >
> >
> > I will never, ever forget this. While we are drinking a beer
> > I will casually
> > ask you about it. Then, when I get up off the floor, we can keep
> > drinking. -Gary
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:17 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Ouch
> > >
> > >
> > > I've done the same thing. I blasted my father over the
> > very same thing
> > > an he got pissed!!! Called Ollie North a good American and
> > all that.
> > > Then he called me a commie. Gary will probably get a kick
> > out of that
> > > one eh?
> > >
> > > Sorry, I disagree. Just because he looked like a hard ass
> > while doing
> > > it (lying to congress) doesn't make it right.
> > >
> > > Michael Corrigan
> > > Programmer
> > > Endora Digital Solutions
> > > www.endoradigital.com
> > > 630/942-5211 x-134
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:23 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Ouch
> > >
> > >
> > > But, but, but ...
> > >
> > > All through the Clinton years, I heard all of these pious
> > Republicans
> > > blast
> > > Clinton -- the same people who never said a bad word
> > about Reagan or
> > > Bush or
> > > Nixon (going that far back).
> > >
> > > I don't like the double standard any more than you, but
> > it isn't just
> > > Clinton supporters, my friend.
> > >
> > > I once was talking to a guy who was blasting Clinton for
> > being a liar.
> > > I
> > > knew he was a fan of Ollie North, so I said, "Here's your
double
> > > standard:
> > > Ollie North lied to Congress. Clinton only lied on a
> > deposition in a
> > > civil
> > > case." The guy went ballistic -- how dare I besmirch the
name
> of
> > > Ollie
> > > North!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > H.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:13 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Ouch
> >
> >
> > You're right, if Reagan and his administration did illegal
things,
> > then
> > they should be punished. That is not my point. I'm not
> justifying
> > the
> > illegalities that happened during the Reagan administration,
but
> I'm
> > sick of seeing people criticize him and not hold their beloved
> Clinton
> > to the same standards.
> >
> > Michael Corrigan
> > Programmer
> > Endora Digital Solutions
> > www.endoradigital.com
> > 630/942-5211 x-134
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Maureen
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ouch
> >
> >
> > At 01:55 PM 12/13/01, Corrigan wrote:
> > >Are you actually going to say that Bill Clinton didn't
break
> any
> > laws,
> > >didn't compromise our national secrets? Reagan is a saint
next
> to
> > >Clinton!!
> >
> > Red-Herring alert!
> > The fact that Clinton broke laws doesn't excuse that fact
that
> > Reagan
> > did.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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