society is much more complicated. which is why I ignored it: society (PEOPLE) noun a large group of people who live together in an organized way, making decisions about how to do things and sharing the work that needs to be done. All the people in a country, or in several similar countries, can be referred to as society.
I would agree we dont' have a non-racist society in the US. > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:16 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > Interesting. So the definition of a country in this case is infact the > legislature. I'm not sure I can agree totally with that, although I > understand your point. Just as important as laws on a personal basis are > social mores. I think the difference is that you are talking about > COUNTRIES > whereas I am talking about SOCIETIES. For me, a society is more than the > laws that govern it. > > Will > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 17 December 2001 18:13 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > I would say a racist COUNTRY would have to have racist legislation, or > rather not have racism be illegal. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:55 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > Well, it's an interesting question. How would one ascertain what a > racist > > society is? Would examples of institutionalised racism be enough? What > > about > > examples of racism in the police force or army? Or in the area of work? > Or > > would there need to be examples of racist legislation? > > > > will > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 17 December 2001 17:45 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > a COUNTRY being RACIST and individuals being RACIST are different imo. > > our country is NOT racist. Racism certainly exists, in certain > societies > > in > > our country its the norm, but the country is NOT racist. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:39 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > Not that I know of. And that was my point really. I was referring to > > > Michael's assertion that he does not live in a racist society. > > > > > > will > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 17 December 2001 17:35 > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > I am not aware of any countries in which racism doesn't exist. > > > Are there any? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:43 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > Personally, I have no problem with people commenting on countries > and > > > > cultures of which they have no direct experience, as long as they do > > it > > > > with > > > > this fact in mind. You say something about British culture that I > > > consider > > > > to be innacurate and I will point it out to you, but I wouldn't > > suggest > > > > that > > > > you should never have said it. > > > > > > > > I think that we both live in societies where racism is still an > > > > institutionalised problem. Certainly in this country (UK) there is a > > > > problem. Its very difficult for me to see, because I am white and > > middle > > > > class. However, my brother is married to a black woman, and she > speaks > > > of > > > > racism as normal - just one of those things you have to deal with. I > > > also > > > > have a black foster brother, and again, his experience is that > racism > > is > > > > endemic in our culture. I have little personal experience of the > > > situation > > > > in the States, however I would suspect that there would be a number > of > > > > people who would disagree with your analysis. > > > > > > > > Lastly, whether or not you can analyse statistics to help understand > a > > > > problem? I don't think this kind of analysis indicates total > > ignorance, > > > > and > > > > actually can prove quite useful, as long as one remembers that > > > statistics > > > > can lie. > > > > > > > > Will > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: 17 December 2001 16:31 > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > One reason why I don't comment on Afghanistan, Israel, etc. I will > > > > comment on our governments activities, but I don't comment on the > way > > > > other countries live their lives. > > > > > > > > I have no problem with people criticizing the actions of the > > government. > > > > I may disagree with ones assertions, but I don't have a problem with > > > > people commenting on it. When someone makes ignorant (as in > > uneducated) > > > > comments on something that they know literally nothing about, then I > > > > don't care for it. His interpretation does not come from direct > > > > experience but through the filtered and veiled eyes of others. His > > > > disdain for our country seethes deeper than just a loathing for the > > > > government but extends to the people themselves. The comments that > he > > > > made are evidence of that. > > > > > > > > I do not believe that we live in a racist society. You can't look > at > > a > > > > bunch of numbers and from that derive the problem. That > demonstrates > > to > > > > me total ignorance. > > > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > > Programmer > > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > > www.endoradigital.com > > > > 630/942-5211 x-134 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Will Swain > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:00 AM > > > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > A reasonable point, apart from the fact that to the best of my > > > > knowledge, no > > > > one on this list lives in Afghanistan, yet we all seem to have > > > > opinions on > > > > the quality of life there. > > > > > > > > If you are only qualified to comment on a country, its domestic > > > > politics and > > > > its culture if you live there, we wouldn't be discussing much on > > here. > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: 17 December 2001 15:49 > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is this perception that you have come from? You don't even > > live > > > > here? > > > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > > Programmer > > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > > www.endoradigital.com > > > > 630/942-5211 x-134 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:49 AM > > > > Subject: Re: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > > A group of people that will cut off a thief's hands, condone > the > > > > murder of > > > > family members for adultery, etc... > > > > > > > > Also, I'd have to say that if you could respond with some facts > > > > about > > > > america that are equally disturbing. America, a country glued to > > the > > > > television set, obsessed with buying things they don't need and > > > > bombing/invading foreign countries a least twice every decade > > (while > > > > engaged > > > > in numerous conflicts around the globe). The american idea of > > > > justice > > > > is > > > > executing people in the electric chair or dispatching them via a > > > > 'gas > > > > chamber', or the so called 'humane' method of killing - the > lethal > > > > injection. A country built on slavery which still mantains a > > > > powerful > > > > racist > > > > undercurrent in its cultural make up. Major racial disparity in > > the > > > > US > > > > results in the incarceration of African American men at a rate 4 > > > > times > > > > those > > > > incarcerated by the former aparteid nation of South Africa. > > > > > > > > Do you want me to go on? > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:16 AM > > > > Subject: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't get it... > > > > > > > > > > A group of people that will cut off a thief's hands, condone > the > > > > murder of > > > > family members for adultery, etc... Yet, here's an > > > > > article that really makes me wonder: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-warpray1216.story?co= > > > > > > > > ny%2 > > > > Dtop%2Dheadlines > > > > > > > > > > I may be naive but I don't think I'll ever understand this way > > of > > > > thinking... > > > > > > > > > > Howie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
