Sam wrote: > Government isn't forcing the morals structure they are protecting them > from being removed. Our civilization is based on religious morals. You > want to destroy all forms of religion and the morals structure that > goes with it.
I disagree. Roads aren't built because of religion. Schools neither, though I admit an awful lot of them were, back in "the day". Religion doesn't decide what taxes I pay, and I'm glad of it. As far as destroying "all forms of religion and the moral structure that goes with it," didn't Christianity supplant many of its predecessors? Are you now saying that that's a bad thing? Are you going to go back and worship Roman gods? Oops. They replace the Greek ones, didn't they? Nobody here, I think, is trying to destroy all religions. What we are saying is that morals aren't absolute across them, and that without establishing one religion or group of religions as a state institution, then legislating morals based on this or these religions won't work. In short, we're trying to protect ourselves from the kind of theocracy that the US was designed, in part, to protect us from. > I just think we have a right to protect that, you think we have no > rights. You think anything even slightly associated with religion > needs to be destroyed. Your church has every right not to marry gays. Similarly, my church should be allowed to make the same decision for itself. > You may think anyone that needs to follow a guide or set of rules is > stupid but that's just naive. If you weren't taught how to act or how > to behave or how to treat others we'd be no different then monkeys or > dogs. No. I think that rules for behavior are necessary and right. The rules I was taught boil down, in large part, to the Golden rule. I want to prevent discrimination against homosexuals because I want to prevent discrimination against heterosexuals. > And it's not Christian morality, any kind of morality that keeps us > civilized. I'm not Christian. > In AA they used to look to god for help but now they look to anyone > stronger than them to give them guidance. > If you remove that guidance what do you have? Not everyone needs the > guidance or the fear of god to keep them on the straight and narrow > but it does help a lot of people. Why do you have to remove it? Okay, it's not Christian morality. Let's go with a reasonably generic Pagan morality, then. Now that we've settled on that, we can have open marriages, multiple marriages, and (if you don't want the government interfering in your love life) simple handfastings that have no legal bearing. Done! --Ben ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:180667 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
