I would add that the intelligence provided by the administration to our
political leaders, as justification for going to war was suspect at
best.  

I believe that there are many political leaders who voted YES based on
what they now regard as biased intelligence produced for and by this
administration, rather than the actual facts. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:29 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: [politics] just look at the headlines

> Sam  wrote:
> Dude do you just delete stuff that proves you wrong and pretend it
> never happened?
>

I'm not sure what you think I'm saying so I'll to be very precise:

Where I agree with the Administration
----------------------------------------------------
1.) A stable democratic Middle East was, is, and will be in the
strategic interest of the US.

2.) Hussein was a horrible dictator that ethically needed to go. 
However, I'm not agreeing that 's the US's responsibility.

3.) Pressuring Hussein on WMD seems appropriate given the intelligence
that seems to have been available at the time.   As I don't have a
security clearance I can only speculate.

In short, Hussein needed to go, and it's a good thing he's gone.


Where I disagree with the Administration
-------------------------------------------------------
1.) Pre-emption.  The President should've allowed the UN to finish
it's inspection job.  That's clear from the lack WMD and the
pre-invasion intelligence I've seen including the link you've
provided.

2.) Winning the peace.  The President and his staff have been wrong at
almost every turn in post-war Iraq and they continue to make the same
mistakes over and over.  Further they lie to the US claiming "mission
accomplished" or that we're "turning the corner" when we're clearly
not.

3.) It is my belief, and the opinion of the few Senators I trust on
both sides, that their "yes" vote on Iraq was not meant to say,
"invade today", but meant to give the President the negotiating
leverage necessary to get the desired result: complete inspection. 
The yes vote was the equivalent of Andy telling Barney to load up his
bullet.  It was meant to be used as a  last resort only.  I don't
think we were at the point.

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