+1 except for the part about "the option to refuse a direct order should 
they feel that order is immoral."  That was never a part of any of my 
training in the USMC.

- Matt


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Iran


>> Dana  wrote:
>> ok, I have given up on my other stuff for the moment. I personally would
>> have had less issue with Wayne's statement if it had not included having 
>> no
>> respect for those who join the military. I think it's a choice that 
>> implies
>> a certain courage and is often made for idealistic and brave reasons. I
>> personally would have difficulty with someone making my moral choices for
>> me, but that is easy for me to say.
>>
>
> +1 and maybe the military folks would have more success in their logic
> position by pointing out that the military doesn't teach that they
> kill because someone told them too, it teaches them how to defend
> themselves  and their country from martial aggression.  Further it
> includes ethics training and the option to refuse a direct order
> should they feel that order is immoral.
>
> Remember all of the trials such as Abu GrabAss and that Wall Streeter
> guy?  The core of these trials was to hold the soldiers accountable
> for immoral action whether it was ordered or not.
>
> So while Wayne makes a fair point, it's wrong.  He doesn't understand
> the training and code of conduct.
>
> 

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