But NO ONE has said that Muslims aren't people. No one has even suggested 
it. Well, no one other than you defending Muslims against those who are 
saying that they are not people...but there's no one here that has said it.
Here I am talking about the murder of innocent Muslims by other Muslims 
which has nothing to do with some cartoon that may or may not have shown 
Muhammad. But lets take what you said. Have they killed anyone over this? 
The answer is yes, but any newspaper I show you to detail this will not meet 
your criteria of proof because, as you say, you can't trust the news because 
of the government (even when the news is from another country).
Each and every civilian casualty in Iraq makes an enemy for this country? 
Even the ones that are the fault of fellow Muslims? Why is it that when an 
American kills a Muslim it's the crime of the century but when a Muslim 
kills a Muslim, no one cares?


> it has everything to do with his post. I am saying that the Muslims are 
> people, and you are telling me that I'm condoning the muder of innocents. 
> These are not equivalent statements.
>
> What I am trying to get across here is that the sentiments that have been 
> expressed here since the Danish cartoon protests are part of the problem. 
> They did this for three hundred years in Ireland. The only way to make it 
> stop is for everyone to stop.
>
> How did we get on the murder of innocents anyway? Afaik Muslims have held 
> some violent demonstrations and burned bown an embassy, but they haven't 
> killed anyone over this. Have they? But in any event, to quote Matt's 
> excellent phrase, please don't confuse my explanation with my beliefs. I 
> bring up the civilian casualties in Iraq because each and every one of 
> them makes an enemy for this country. We may be there with the best of 
> intentions -- though I sincerely doubt that -- but does the father of a 
> child killed in a mortar attack believe that?
>
>
>
>>No, it's a clarification of mine. You said I was angry. I agreed.
>>Jerry said that I had a valid question concerning the lack of protests 
>>when
>>people are killed vs. when a picture is drawn. Your response was to expand
>>my being angry and say that maybe while *we're* angry at *them* (a new
>>position not stated before), *they* are angry at *us* (a position that has
>>nothing to do with *their* own murder of innocents).
>>I.e. your response had nothing to do with his post, nothing to do with my
>>post and nothing to do with the central issue brought up of innocent 
>>people
>>murdered in Iraq by other Muslims (or even innocent people Murdered in 
>>Iraq
>>at all). If it were American's who did the killing I'm sure there would be 
>>a
>>whole different response.
>>
>>>
>
> 

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