Note the words there - "taking him out". If we just took out Saddam and his people, then it would be state sponsored assassination. A war on the other hand is more 'legal'. But in pursuing the war, the Bush administration showed it's total lack of understanding of the middle east and Arab culture. They removed a strongman that held his people down. Yes, he held down the good but he also held down the bad and kept something that looked like peace. He's gone and look what's going on. Remove the US from Iraq and it'll be 100 times worse. In the middle east a strong hand keeps peace, a weak one is soon dead. This is why democracy is a failed experiment there. Who gets elected? The strong. The ones with the guns. The ones who are organized and that's the religious extremists. Look at Egypt. They allow free elections and the Islamic Brotherhood, the 'parent' of many terrorist groups around today, now has legitimacy and representation. Same goes everywhere else. Lebanon - Hezbollah, PA - Hamas (and Arafat/Fata before them), Iran - .....
> Larry, > > There's enough in there that definetely makes this not an open and shut > case: > > "unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited > WMD-related materials." > > "The survey group said it followed up on reports that a > Syrian security officer had discussed collaboration with Iraq on > weapons, but it was unable to complete that investigation." > > Not to mention there's a whole host of other reasons in there to justify > taking him out. > > Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> Which was later shown to be incorrect. >> >> What you did not mention was that the only sites and papers still >> playing up this right wingnut fantasy are sites like worldnet and >> frontpage. >> >> http://www.antiwrap.com/?945 >> >> Report Finds No Evidence Syria Hid Iraqi Arms >> >> By Dana Priest >> Washington Post Staff Writer >> Tuesday, April 26, 2005; A01 >> >> U.S. investigators hunting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq >> have found no evidence that such material was moved to Syria for >> safekeeping before the war, according to a final report of the >> investigation released yesterday. >> >> Although Syria helped Iraq evade U.N.-imposed sanctions by shipping >> military and other products across its borders, the investigators >> "found no senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who >> admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD." Because of the >> insular nature of Saddam Hussein's government, however, the >> investigators were "unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited >> WMD-related materials." >> >> The Iraq Survey Group's main findings -- that Hussein's Iraq did not >> possess chemical and biological weapons and had only aspirations for a >> nuclear program -- were made public in October in an interim report >> covering nearly 1,000 pages. Yesterday's final report, published on >> the Government Printing Office's Web site ( http://www.gpo.gov/ ), >> incorporated those pages with minor editing and included 92 pages of >> addenda that tied up loose ends on Syria and other topics. >> >> U.S. officials have held out the possibility that Syria worked in >> tandem with Hussein's government to hide weapons before the U.S.-led >> invasion. The survey group said it followed up on reports that a >> Syrian security officer had discussed collaboration with Iraq on >> weapons, but it was unable to complete that investigation. But Iraqi >> officials whom the group was able to interview "uniformly denied any >> knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria," the >> report said. >> >> The report, which refuted many of the administration's principal >> arguments for going to war in Iraq, marked the official end of a >> two-year weapons hunt led most recently by former U.N. weapons >> inspector Charles A. Duelfer. The team found that the 1991 Persian >> Gulf War and subsequent U.N. sanctions had destroyed Iraq's illicit >> weapons capabilities and that, for the most part, Hussein had not >> tried to rebuild them. Iraq's ability to produce nuclear arms, which >> the administration asserted was a grave and gathering threat that >> required an immediate military response, had "progressively decayed" >> since 1991. Investigators found no evidence of "concerted efforts to >> restart the program." >> >> Administration officials have emphasized that, while the survey group >> uncovered no banned arms, it concluded that Hussein had not given up >> the goal of someday acquiring them. >> >> Hussein "retained the intent and capability and he intended to resume >> full-scale WMD efforts once the U.N. sanctions were lifted," Pentagon >> spokesman Bryan Whitman said yesterday. "Duelfer provides plenty of >> rationale for why this country went to war in Iraq." >> >> In one of the addenda released yesterday, investigators addressed the >> risk that Iraqi scientists will share their knowledge or material with >> other countries, particularly Syria and Iran, given previous contacts, >> financial inducements and professional opportunities. The report >> concluded that the risk exists but said "there is only very limited >> reporting suggesting that this is actually taking place and no reports >> that indicate scientists were recruited to work in a WMD program." >> >> As for the possibility that insurgents in Iraq will draw on the >> expertise of Iraqi scientists to develop unconventional weapons for >> use against the United States and its coalition forces, the report >> describes these efforts so far as being "limited and contained by >> coalition action." The survey group was aware of only one scientist >> assisting terrorists or insurgents. He helped them fashion chemical >> mortar munitions. >> >> The report found that missing equipment, however, "could contribute to >> insurgent or terrorist production of chemical or biological agents." >> >> In most cases the equipment appeared to have been randomly looted, but >> in selected cases it appeared "to be taken away carefully," Duelfer >> said in an interview yesterday. Overall, though, "it's like going to a >> demolition derby for car parts," said Duelfer. The right equipment "is >> hard to get." >> >> Four military personnel assigned to the survey group's mission >> perished in the violence that engulfed Iraq, and five others were >> seriously wounded, in a mission that cost hundreds of millions of >> dollars. >> >> No further work is planned, although teams are on hand to be >> dispatched when credible reports of weapons material are received in >> Iraq. The report says, however, that continued reports of banned arms >> in Iraq "are usually scams or misidentification of materials or >> activities." It predicts that such reports will continue. >> >> Although new information may be forthcoming, Duelfer said in an >> accompanying letter that he has "confidence in the picture of events >> and programs covered by this report." >> >> "If there were to be a surprise in the future," he added, "it most >> likely would be in the biological weapons area" because the size of >> those facilities can be so small. >> >> Duelfer also recommended that the United States release some of the >> scientists and technocrats who are still being held captive in Iraq >> strictly because of their work on Iraq's weapons programs dating back >> to the Gulf War. "Many have been very cooperative and provided great >> assistance in understanding the WMD programs" and Iraq's intentions, >> and have exhausted their knowledge of these subjects, he wrote. "In my >> view, certain detainees are overdue for release." >> >> Of 300 individuals on a "blacklist" developed by U.S. military and >> intelligence officials before the war, 105 have been detained. But the >> list, said the report, was flawed. "Some very despicable individuals >> who should have been listed were not, while many technocrats and even >> opponents of the Saddam regime made the list and hence found >> themselves either in jail or on the run." >> >> The Pentagon's Whitman said that he was unaware of any scientists who >> had been released recently because of Duelfer's appeal and that the >> Defense Department routinely reviews detainees' status to see "whether >> or not they are a threat to the coalition and Iraqi security forces >> and whether or not they continue to have intelligence value." >> (c) 2005 The Washington Post Company >> >> On 3/17/06, Kevin Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Here you go Larry >>> >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/25/wirq25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/25/ixnewstop.html >>> >>> "David Kay, the former head of the coalition's hunt for Iraq's weapons >>> of mass destruction, yesterday claimed that part of Saddam Hussein's >>> secret weapons programme was hidden in Syria." >>> >>> >>> >>> Larry C. Lyons wrote: >>> >>>> So why not provide the citation for it. All over the news is nothing. >>>> >>>> On 3/17/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Citation? That was all over the news, Hell Bill Clinton mentioned it >>>>> on >>>>> David Letterman's show after the invasion. >>>>> >>>>> Dave asked about it, and Clinton said that there was still a lot of >>>>> stuff >>>>> that had never been accounted for, and while Saddam may have destroyed >>>>> it he >>>>> had to prove they were gone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:33 AM >>>>>> To: CF-Community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Saddam Pretended to have Weapons to prevent Attack >>>>>> >>>>>> citation for that please. I've heard a lot of people on this list >>>>>> claim such but no one has provided data supporting that claim. >>>>>> >>>>>> Move and moved where for instance. People have been claiming that all >>>>>> this stuff has been moved but no supporting evidence for that claim >>>>>> has been advanced. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:200465 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
