----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: RE: Enron executive commits suicide (Church and State)
> School, in many neighborhoods, is more than just a place of study. It's a > social gathering place. A town center. The best place for like-minded > children to meet, make friends and share interests. Church is a place for children to practice religion. Home is another. Public School is not. > For insurance reasons, if a group of students want to create a > common-interest club of some type, and they need to meet on campus (for lack > of better facilities, for lack of parental trust in other facilities, for > lack of easy access to other facilities), then the school must require > adult, often teacher, supervision. This is also common sense. If they want to make a school sanctioned club, they would need a faculty advisor of some sort, yes. > The school's policy on what groups can form and meet should be facially > neutral. That means, the nature of the group should be of secondary concern > to the school. So long as it is not an illegal activity (such as a > pot-smoking club!), then the school should allow it. No. If the students wanted a satan worshipping club the school should allow it? The place for a religious club is at your church, not your public school. If the school allows clubs of any sort - then they must allow all clubs that aren't illegal. this means that a neonazi club would be okay with the school. And they would have to provide a teacher to supervise it. > > To not allow an religious group to form on campus under the above > circumstances is an infringement of freedom of religion rights. The school > would set up unreasonable barriers to an otherwise permissible assembly (we > also have freedom of assembly rights). A religious group of kids are welcome to form - the issue is the school providing school space and school resources for that club - this is inappropriate and unconstitutional. > If the policy is facially neutral, meaning the secular humanists could also > form a club, or the wiccans, then there is no establishment problem. I totally disagree. My tax dollars better not go towards paying a teacher to supervise a religious group. > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth Fleischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 9:04 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Enron executive commits suicide (Church and State) > > > Except, because the teacher sanctioned it the school is also sanctioning it > via their employee - the teacher is acting as a teacher not as a citizen if > they are on school property leading kids in prayer. > > Why couldn't the kids just get together and pray without making it a school > function (which is what they obviously wanted to do?)? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: Enron executive commits suicide (Church and State) > > > > I know, but the only way the kids could hold the meeting at the school was > > with a teacher there. And because there was a teacher there they couldn't > > hold the meetings. > > > > It was not an official part of school, they just wanted to hold their > > meetings there. > > > > The schools didn't provide the teacher, the students asked the teacher if > > they would sanction it. > > > > At 12:24 PM 1/26/2002 -0900, you wrote: > > >Thats a group sanctioned by the school that involves religion. Can the > > >students who are satan worshippers also have a group? What obligation do > > >the schools have to provide a teacher for whatever religious group the > kids > > >want? > > > > > >See, the waters get muddy because of this. > > > > > >Those students in lexington were absolutely allowed to pray in school, > but > > >they cannot start a religious official school group; unless they go to a > > >non-private school. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
