Let's be clear -- we are talking about an after school activity, using a
scheduled time for a specific classroom.  It's not a matter of you being
asked to leave -- you are being invited in, if you like, otherwise, you are
free to go home or free to participate in another activity at the school,
should one be available.  You're rights are not being abridged in any manner
whatsoever.  Nothing is being forced on you. You are not being placed in an
untenable or uncomfortable position. Frankly, if you don't want to
participate, it's none of your damn business.  We are not talking about, in
any manner, as far as a group being allowed to use a classroom or a
cafeteria to assembly, anything that you need to be a party to in any manner
(whether proactive or exclusionary).   It's not a matter, if you don't like
it, leave. It's a matter, if you don't like it, don't show up in the first
place. What student wants to be at a school any longer than he has to,
outside of participating in some extracurricular activity that he has a
passion for?

H.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gary McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:59 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Church and State


What do you mean, "right to peaceably assemble"? Of course you have that
right, it is not abridged in any way. But why should I have to leave a
public place that I go to to learn because you want to hold a prayer
service? Take that to the church. Why do you need to pray out loud in a
school? Are you just so focused on the rhetoric that you "cannot pray", as
spouted by the sensationalist Right, that you miss that you can pray - just
not to where it makes me or others uncomfortable in a public setting? Why is
it so important that you pray in front of people who may not agree with your
religious beliefs?

Example: You are at a school. I come in, sit behind you and start muttering
a prayer to some god, no idea which, which you do not worship. I do this for
a few minutes with several of my friends, the majority of the class in fact.
We do this everyday. Our religion teaches us that those who do not believe
in our god are doomed to hell and we are always right. Period. We think you
have a pagan religion, much different from hours and you just do not fit in.
Your religion seems backward to us. The media has painted it as backward and
the people as non-conformists.

How would you feel?

-Gary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:33 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Church and State
>
>
> Your may be right.
>
> Strange, I dislike Christianity but I feel that all people have the same
> rights. One of those is the right to peaceably assemble. oh well.
>
> At 12:27 PM 1/28/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >Nick,
> >
> >     You're wasting your breath man.  It's not about prayer in the
> >classroom or even about religion in schools.  She even said it herself,
> >it is NOT about religion in school, it's about Christianity in schools.
> >The debate is based on a dislike of Christianity.  The dislike of
> >Christianity stems from a dislike of people like Robertson and Falwell
> >and the Christian fundamentalism that was fought in the 50's and 60's.
> >They see them and the Crusades and say that Christianity is bad and
> >lumps all Christians with them.  It's disingenuous and close minded and
> >not really worth the time.
> >
>

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