I always give credit where credit is due. The reason I suspect he may be a troll is as you say, he's new to the lists. Also the tone and the phrasing suggest not just a combativeness, but I was left with the impression of a desire to start a flame war. If I'm wrong, cool. Lets welcome him with open arms. If not I sincerely hope he has a very tough exterior, since there are a lot of veterans of quite a few flame wars on this list. And knowing this list as I do, they don't take prisoners.
larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:43 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Death of Cold Fusion > > > Why thank you, Larry, I'm flattered ;) > > Actually, I don't consider Tom a troll yet. Misguided and > maybe with an > intentional purpose of demoralizing possibly (but > doubtful)... Looking at > the post history in both CF-Talk and CF-Community, it seems > that he has > joined only recently and is not aware of the readership of this list. > > C. Hatton Humphrey > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:26 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: The Death of Cold Fusion > > > > > > Hatton, > > > > That was an excellent reply to a troll. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:35 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: The Death of Cold Fusion > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > A couple of things to point out, none intended as a personal > > > attack and all > > > subject to the fact that (a) it's 1am here, (b) I'm just a > > > developer without > > > any financial gain in the rise and fall of the IT sector of > > > the market and > > > (c) I'm tired of seeing "Cold Fusion is Dying" posts on CF > > > specific lists. > > > > > > First of all, in comparing the financial sheets of Microsoft > > > and Macromedia > > > you are looking at two completely different entities. Both > > > are software > > > firms, both sell products and both offer a server-side > > > scripting language, > > > but beyond that point no other comparisons can be made. > > > Microsoft has a > > > slew of other products as does Macromedia. Hell, if MM > considered MS > > > "competition", why is ColdFusion completely compatible with > > > IIS? Sorry, I'm > > > rambling... financially *all* IT performers, big and > small, are down. > > > > > > If you are a *serious* investor then I will give you this > > > advice... it's > > > something that I've been told by several family members and > > > friends: when > > > the price of a stock is down, buy. If it goes down lower, > > > buy more. When > > > it goes up and you really think you need the money, sell half > > > and hold the > > > rest for the next time it goes up. The stock market and the > > > economy are > > > cyclical beings and people that are investing long term are > > > having a heyday. > > > Personally, I'll look back on 2001 in 30-odd years when I'm > > > setting up 401k > > > withdrawals and think, "man, I got a lot that year". > > > > > > Oh, and one note on the last link... If memory serves me > > > correctly, June 30 > > > 2001 was right around the time that MM and Allarie became one > > > entity. That > > > may have some of the effect on the numbers. Also, 2001 was > > > not a good year > > > for any company, and trend-wise I think that overall numbers > > > will agree with > > > me (not going to take the time to research it, it's a moot point). > > > > > > Hell, you want to see the ultimate definition of "screwed", > > > take a look at > > > Easy Street (currently trading as EASYD)... I bought when > > > they were Mail.com > > > (MAIL) at 21.25/shr (6 shares, I played in the market with > > > some money left > > > over from stocks I got from working for Tandy). Now they're > > > trading at > > > 3.80/shr after a reverse 10 for 1 split. > > > > > > Second point- if you were a regular subscriber or visitor to > > > either list > > > (CF-Talk or CF-Community), you would have seen the ASP > vs. CF vs. PHP > > > discussions we've had. One thing that we all know and > > > realize is the CF is > > > not the end-all of scripting languages. I for one embrace > > > the philosophy > > > that knowing how to program at a logical level is key to > a developer's > > > success in the industry. Language is irrelevant. If you > > > know how to write > > > a page that gathers information from a database and loops > > > through it and > > > displays it in a specific format in one language, it is a > matter of > > > semantics for you to figure out how to do it in another. > Maybe that's > > > because I have web-based, disk based and hardware based > programming > > > experience. > > > > > > Finally, I want to reiterate that I'm tired of seeing people > > > come into a > > > group and immediately slam the company/product line/concept > > > of that group. > > > Why do people do that? It's not just here... I get them on > > > my Ham Radio and > > > BBS lists. Both are hobbies of mine and there's always got > > > to be someone > > > that wants to spoil my fun. > > > > > > There you have it, my unabashed, opinionated, undereducated > > > response to a > > > baseless fear. If you want to learn ASP, go ahead... > it's not that > > > difficult of a syntax to learn. I know it, and so do many > > > many many other > > > people on this list. Thing is, we're here to talk about CF. > > > The Community > > > side of the list is more for personal chit-chat, political > > > debate, muffin > > > throwing and the occasional discussion on religion. Feel > > > free to join in if > > > you like. > > > > > > C. Hatton Humphrey > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tom Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:10 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: The Death of Cold Fusion > > > > > > > > > Would anyone with some financial and marketing expertise care > > > to discuss > > > the issue of the mutation of CF5 into something else. I > have a rather > > > widely accepted theory that most analysts find quite a bit of > > > credence in. > > > > > > IMHO, to those of you who have already lost tens of thousands > > > of dollars > > > over this sham, is stay away from MM. IMHO, they will not > > > make a decent > > > profit until 2004 - ready for that? > > > > > > I will reveal my sources if enough people seem to be > > > interested and can > > > read a financial sheet. In the mean time, compare stock > > > performance charts > > > of MACR and MS. > > > > > > Read the notes DAILY such as: > > > > > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=MACR > > > > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/n/m/macr.html > > > > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/p/m/macr.html > > > > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/z/a/m/macr.html (this one is guaranteed > > > to burn your > > > ass) > > > > > > http://messages.yahoo.com/?action=q&board=MACR (take all > > > info with a grain > > > of salt, and compare it with other boards) > > > > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/m/macr.html (and this one ladies > > > and gentlemen > > > will make you cry - or go out and buy an asp book.) > > > > > > > > > Well, per Mr. Dnowitz's request, we are now all corralled > > > into the correct > > > forum. But guess what - it doesn't make the news any > better - it just > > > limits the number of programmers that can, USING THEIR > OWN WISDOM AND > > > KNOWLEDGE, will glean any knowledge and possible fore warning. > > > > > > Well, everyone knows how to read the tape, and everyone knows > > > how to read > > > between the lines. (like no version CF5.2 or 5.5 - we'll just > > > make a big > > > deal out of it- cause everyone to buy the thing, it won't > > > work the first > > > time around- so call the MM "tech Serv" lines. > > > > > > This is getting entirely too humorous. > > > > > > OFF TO RESEARCH ASP! I feel like the pied piper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > ************** > > > * > > > Tom Forbes, Forbes Web Consulting, Inc. > > > TEL: 407-772-3427 FAX: 407-772-3428 > > > Visit www.medmatrix.com for Medical Equipment Web Sites! > > > We build and host Medical Equipment company Web sites too! > > > ************************************************************** > > > ************** > > > * > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
