Didn't happen to see that when I was googling this but it changes nothing. If people start surrendering their notes/outtakes/whatever whenever the prosecution wants to go on a fishing expedition, then pretty soon nobody will talk off the record, and off the record sources are required for a free press. I don't condone arson attempted or not but the guy thinks he is sticking up for a principle and he may be right. The exceptions to this principle should be few and far between. Protecting Rove or Libby from the consequences of their own actions might be a case for an exception. I am not sure that protecting an alleged federal interest in a police car that allegedly might have been bought with federal funds really rises to the same level of seriousness.
On 8/2/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IIRC whiteness claimed that a mattress was placed under the car and set > on fire. It didn't take, but the intent was there. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:34 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Blogger or Journalist > > > > here's the rationale: > > > > Wolf and his supporters contend the attempted car arson is a pretense, > an > > end-run around California's strong shield law so the FBI can gather > > evidence > > for a San Francisco Police investigation. And Wolf's camp says his > case is > > part of the federal government's national pattern of using grand > juries to > > co-opt journalists as a de facto arm of the law and to chill > > political > > dissent. > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/localnews/ci_4122179 > > > > So if it is a point of principle I think the guy has guts to stick to > his > > guns. Not sure still if I agree with him but offland I think I agree > with > > the grand jury less. > > > > > > On 8/2/06, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > we aren't looking at the value of a police car, it's attempted > arson at > > > best: > > > > > > "and an apparent fire or smoke bomb was set under or near a police > car. > > > > > > Advocates for Wolf dispute that the car sustained damage as a result > of > > > the protest. > > > > > > Prosecutors have proposed in court documents that the federal > government > > > has the right to subpoena Wolf's unedited footage in its attempt to > > > determine if indictable federal offenses occurred, such as the > attempted > > > arson involving a patrol car. > > > > > > Although the San Francisco Police Department is a local agency, it > > > receives funding from the federal government, a fact prosecutors > said > > made > > > it legitimate issue for a federal grand jury. > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/news_in_brief/josh_wolf_jailed_06080 > 2. > > shtml > > > > > > > > > On 8/2/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What a police car was vandalized and your thinking it was a > > misdemeanor? > > > > How do you figure? > > > > > > > > Anything over $500 is a felony in most states. That's not even to > > > > mention > > > > the sedition charges that could be brought about from such > actions. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:55 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Blogger or Journalist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hmm it isn't that simple. I have only read the one story that > Nick > > > > posted, > > > > > but the footage is of a demonstration, not simple vandalism. > > > > Apparently a > > > > > police car was damaged in the course of the demonstration and > they > > > > want to > > > > > know if unaired portions of the tape point to who and how. I'd > have > > to > > > > see > > > > > the guy's rationale to know what I think of this. > > > > > > > > > > If he wants to avoid setting a precedent I might agree with him. > > > > > This is not > > > > > a matter of say a murder that we know for sure happened. It's > people > > > > who > > > > > were exercising their right to free speech and perhaps some of > them > > > > also > > > > > committed a misdemeanour. If I weigh that out I come down in > favor > > of > > > > not > > > > > setting a precedent. > > > > > > > > > > As for whether a blogger is a journalist, I think this is > > > > > something that has > > > > > not been worked out yet. It may depend on the blog. But > regardless > > of > > > > the > > > > > blog, the guy sold some of the film to a local television > station so > > > > in my > > > > > book that makes him a freelance journalist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/2/06, Robert Munn < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep in mind that Judy Miller spent several months in jail > over > > > > > the Plame > > > > > > leak case. Personally, I don't think journalists should have > > blanket > > > > > > > > > > protection where criminals acts are involved. This blogger's > claim > > > > is a > > > > > > perfect example. What right of free speech protects him no > turning > > > > over > > > > > > video evidence of a crime? Nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/2/06, Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so here is a question, at what point does a person with > a > > blog > > > > > > become > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > journalist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A blogger was sent to prison today for failing to turn over > a > > > > > video that > > > > > > > prosecutors claim has footage of a group of people > > > > > vandalizing a police > > > > > > > car. > > > > > > > He is claiming that he is a journalist and has the right to > keep > > > > some > > > > > > > information private. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.com.com/Blogger+jailed+after+defying+court+orders/2100- > > 1028_3-61 > > > > > > 01187.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Two things, first, this may contain footage of a crime that > > occurred > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > public place, even if the guy were a journalist, should it > still > > be > > > > > > protected? Is this equal to not revealing a source? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd, Can a person that has a day job, that writes a blog be > > > > considered a > > > > > > journalist? What is a journalist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > --------------- > > > > > Robert Munn > > > > > www.funkymojo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:212366 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
