I think that in the contexts of our discussion, "pro-jew" really just means that you aren't anti-jew, that you don't carry a bias against them because they are Jewish, and you would not wish harm or even death upon them simply because they are Jewish.
It does NOT mean that you have to support them in all aspects just because they are jewish...cuz as you pointed out, that's another form of bias. On 8/15/06, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Hatton. Good for you. WHy do I have to be pro-Jew though? I like > Mike D. I like Judith. I even, lord help me, like Sam. Kinda. Don't > let it go to your head, Sam. There are probably other Jews on this > list whom I like, but do not realize they are Jewish. If they don't > identify as such, what is their Jewishness to me? My point is that it > seems to me to be a type of prejudice to make sweeping statements, > even favorable, about a group of people about whom I admittedly know > little.... > > On 8/15/06, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will admit one fallacy in my earlier logic that was pointed out by a > > few. To be anti-Israel and refer to their government actions is one > > thing and since Israel is a democratic state and has some form of > > freedom of expression I will agree that you *can* be anti-Israel and > > still be pro-Jew. > > > > However, there are a LOT of things that you can't support and still be > > "pro-Jew". Here's a few that come to mind: > > - You can not tell me that Israel as a government is not allowed to > > defend itself. > > - You can not deny the existence of the Jewish state of Israel > > - You can not turn a blind eye to the hate speech of the Arab world > > when it comes to Israel and "all of Zion" (that means us too, folks). > > > > Those being listed, let me pose these questions: > > - Can you support an organization that calls Palestenian terrorists > > victims and be pro-Jew? > > - Can you back an organizatoin that would, if not kept in check, allow > > the Arab world to walk over Israel with military force and be pro-Jew? > > - Can accept the rhetoric of people who call Israel's self-defense > > triggered military actons acts of terror and still be pro-Jew? > > - Can you support a political party with members who would rather see > > Palestenians be the sole owners of what we currently know as Israel > > and still be pro-Jew? > > > > Again, I admit my fallacy in the blanket statement that, "you cannot > > be anti-Israel and pro-Jew". However I will define Israel as the > > nation not as it's government and that changes the reading you have to > > put into it. > > > > Then again I could also point out that here in the US, in Canada, in > > Britain and even in Israel citizens have the RIGHT to oppose the > > actions of their government. In almost every Arab state I've seen, > > the descenting opinion is either never heard or silenced shortly after > > it is heard and never heard from again. That doesn't count for much > > in this discussion but it does bear mentioning. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:213349 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
